Aug 24, 2004 02:37 pm I tried to give it a listen but it won't play, at least not right now.
Dan
Matty: A new member with a new song
Posted on Aug 24, 2004 03:17 am
matty
Mattdasplat
Member Since: Aug 22, 2004
Hello people, thanks for visiting this page, I guess you know how much of a hassle it is waiting for people to listen to your song so you can get feedback, and I would very much appreciate any feed back you can give. This is a rock track I wrote using FL Studio with various plugins and samples.
If I get enough positive feedback from the forums, I will finish the music, write the lyrics and get my friend's band to play it live, all going well.
www.nowhereradio.com/*********************(link removed)
Because I am just new here I am not sure if you can just paste the link from nowhereradio or not, but if you can't, look for the song on the nowhereradio website, my nickname on nowhereradio is matty2004 and the title of the song is 'Nothing To It'
Thanks
Matt
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Aug 24, 2004 02:37 pm I tried to give it a listen but it won't play, at least not right now.
Dan
Aug 24, 2004 07:25 pm Nowhere Radio appears to disallow direct linking...I couldnt access it either.
Cheers...
Coco.
Aug 24, 2004 08:05 pm As they should and I plan to. Doing so can use substantial amounts of his bandwidth, and actually get NO credit for it and no body knows it because nobody sees his site...
Aug 24, 2004 09:24 pm I went to his Nowhere site and still got an error that WMP couldn't find the file so I couldn't play it.
I don't think He or You should do deep linking except for paid hosting (as a perk) which is the way most sites do it. However I think the site still gets plenty, possibly more exposure allowing deep linking for the simple fact the site is in the URL. Bandwidth wise it should be theoretically the same, because IF the person is going to listen doesn't matter where He listens from, only a question of whether they bother to go to the site to do the listening vs just click a link to listen. :)
Most of the people on SC who have deep linking even if they use a banner they still have SC represented on it, so they get advertising there as well. The one downside is not getting the site hits to sell advertising, but IMO the majority make it a point NOT to visit those advertisers any how especially since the majority of adds have little or nothing to do with music and the other half are looking for ways to track you around the internet. Then there's the bain of internet Pop Ups!, thank God for blockers. <G>
Dan
Aug 24, 2004 11:45 pm 1) Direct linking is a direct violation of the policies at NWR, any and all direct links must be removed immediately and replaced with official links. You've got 48 hours Matt.
2) The issue with direct linking has nothing to do with advertising NWR, it has to do with advertising revenue from the ads on the pages, the only thing that partially covers the cost of bandwidth (about 10%), I cover the rest. From 7+ years experience, allowing direct linking would destroy nowhere in a matter of weeks.
3) NoWhere never has, and never will use unethical means of advertising such as pop-ups, pop-unders, or spyware. One simple, targetted banner, resides at the top of the page. Less than the majority of the internet. If you want to complain about that, read #4, then proceed to count how many fingers I'm holding up.
4) Something has to pay for the bandwidth, if no banner ads were present, or clicked, the service would disappear, permanently. I already work 12 hour graves just to stay alive, the added expense of running this project without ANY income would simply kill me.
5) Direct linking is available as an add-on service for a very reasonable price (less than most hosting packages, with streaming also). Visit the services section on the site, or the 'get more space' section.
As far as playback issues: Change your player, WM has many issues playing back protected SC streams. Make sure you have NWR configured properly (Click on 'choose player' at the top right and make sure you have it set right), as well as your player.
W.
Aug 25, 2004 01:04 am Waldo I wasn't targeting you about adds popups I know you don't use them, I can certainly appreciate the costs involved running a site such as NWR. More, just that internet adds have IMO destroyed themselves by the unethical practices of alot of them. You would probably be getting alot more that 10% of your revenue from them if internet adds in general weren't so dispised, again from the abuses of some of them. I also fully support your charging extra for deep linking and said so. I did acknowledge the downside of not going to the site as well, so I don't really see where you think I'm coming down on NWR for not allowing it for free.
I know you don't use pop up adds but several times while visiting NWR I've had the CMP Media deal popup (quite some time btw) and once accidentally clicked on it and had my Browser Home Page Hi-Jacked, so even sites that don't use them can fall prey to the practices of unscrupulous advertisers.
As far as the player we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not about to change my preference for media player because 1 song or 1 site has a problem with it. SC has no problems whatsoever with WMP, nor does any other site I vist which includes quite a few. In fact I've had no problems playing other music from NWR and played 1 just now, there is definitley something wrong with the upload of matty's track.
Dan
Aug 25, 2004 08:42 am Here's a search of the shoutcast forums showing hundreds of issues with windows media player:
forums.winamp.com/search....rder=descending
Bet you $100 that WinAmp plays it no problem, or any other player on your system that supports SC w/ multiple codecs. Microsoft has stated they don't, and won't support it on purpose, but it might work as a fluke (providing you have your own codecs installed, the format of the file matches, etc.)
BTW, I can play it just fine, with twelve different players.
Alternatively, he could re-encode the MP3 into something that microsoft does support, using an alternative codec. I've had good luck with LAME, but never 100% luck.
BTW, no other sites that I know of (or have searched for endlessly) use actual streaming, or protected streaming, only DLAPB. I'd love to see any that you have links to!
The above text was NOT targetted at you, but the general ideas that could come about from this discussion, the only connection being that you brought them up!
Also note, I strongly suggest your check the 'Change player' section on NWR to make sure it's properly configured. You CAN use WMP on NWR, but it HAS to be configured properly!
W.
Aug 25, 2004 06:08 pm I wouldn't be surprised to see a "winamp" forum bashing/complaining about WMP.
I have winamp, but I like WMP better and it works every bit as well plus plays more types of media content.
re: DLAPB Do I care? No, as long as it works I don't care what method they use or what they call it. I call it deep linking, you call it direct linking, SC calls it Deep Linking, Artist Launch calls it deep linking Who Cares as long as it works?
re Change Player It works fine Waldo, I've never had a problem listening to music on NWR, except this one. :)
I did find the problem. Somewhere along the line the link to his song was:
nowhereradio.com/cgi-bin/playsong/20174/cDmSpXH0qDxuA/n/m3u/nothingtoit.asx (hovering the mouse over the link for the song)
instead of:
nowhereradio.com/cgi-bin/playsong/20174/cDmSpXH0qDxuA/n/m3u/nothingtoit.m3u
It seems to be working okay now.
Cheers,
Dan
Aug 25, 2004 06:33 pm Well, I was able to listen to Matt's music,and I don't even know what "SC" means! (Guess: "Streaming Content"?)
Back to the original thread:
Matt,
It's a good start. Sounds cool, with awesome potential. Get some lyrics, and you're probably going to need to throw in another "section" to the tune to break up the monotony. It's gonna be a great song...you've done a fine job putting everything together! Huge sound!
Jim
Aug 25, 2004 10:07 pm I'm using SC as SoundClick, Waldo is using it as Streaming Content I think, maybe that's where the confusion is coming in. :)
Dan
Aug 26, 2004 02:02 am ShoutCast folks! By nullsoft, creators of WinAmp ;) (Just as a bi-line, WinAmp plays 223 more formats than WMP ever could)
The link to the problems with Windows Media Player is in the ShoutCast forum, which is what NWR uses (a modified version of) to protect the artists content when they wish to not allow downloads.
Here's the major issue: Most WMP's do NOT send over a 'user agent' environment variable that's unique to the player. They'll just send a general browser var. That means the server has no way to tell if the person is trying to rip the song off, or play it back. Thus, WMP fails a very large portion of the time. Microsofts fault (didn't follow the RFC's), not mine.
If the link was ASX, then you had it right (other than the link you placed above mixes M3U and ASX, and has the exact same time stamp to the second, which doesn't/can't happen on NWR, so you have just copied it and placed ASX at the end), that's the link for windows media (Your choose player link alters all links appropriately). ASX is Windows Media's playlist format. So, if that doesn't play the track for you, then your WMP configuration is bad.
M3U (WinAmps playlist format) doesn't work properly in WMP prior to 7.1, and WMP prior to that doesn't work at all with SC. SC on demand rarely works with WMP when the format isn't perfect in microsofts eyes (even if it's fully RFC compliant).
BTW, DLAPB (Download and playback) has nothing to do with deep/direct linking, just as streaming has nothing to do with deep/direct linking. DLAPB is NOT streaming.
W.
Aug 26, 2004 05:07 pm Hey guys,
Thanks for all your reply's. I've been away for the last couple of days so haven't had a chance to check these forums. Well since I'm a student and I don't have a credit card, I think I might find somewhere else to host my files and get rid of my nowhereradio account since it doesn't do what I want it to. Cheers guitar jim for your comments about my song. I whipped all that up in about half an hour, then spent about another half an hour trying to perfect instruments and effects etc.
It's sound heaps better now but I'l wait a bit longer before uploading the new improved track because it's still far from finished.
thanks guys
matt
Aug 26, 2004 07:07 pm matty, try www.scrubrecords.com
You've got a good start there to the song, sounds pretty good for all sampled stuff. :)
Dan
Aug 26, 2004 07:10 pm There is also Soundclick www.soundclick.com - very reliable when I used em and free tae.
Or, if you join the HRC PRO, you will get some space on this fair site to host your MP3's.
However, I dont think it'll matter where ya go - you will find nobody will want ya to hotlink to yer songs for all the reasons discussed above.
If you get your ain bit of webspace however, you can link to the songs as much as you please but obviously this will cost ya a few quid...
Coco.
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