May 05, 2004 02:28 pm I have no idea, but I found this equipment list for Tom Morello (RATM):
www.hamptonplace.com/tonedepot/mustm.htm
Nice Phat Destortion Sound ? (help)
Posted on May 05, 2004 01:47 pm
Sds2000
Member Since: Jul 17, 2003
Hey guys
Im wondering if any one out there knows of any Basic Destorition guitar pedal that will give me a nice big fat destorition sound very similar to rage aganst the machine, POD, to more heaver slipknot ???.
Cheeers
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May 05, 2004 02:28 pm I have no idea, but I found this equipment list for Tom Morello (RATM):
www.hamptonplace.com/tonedepot/mustm.htm
May 05, 2004 03:39 pm You're asking a lot- Rage is a very typical Marshall JCM800 sound, while POD screams Mesa Dual Rectifier.
what's your current setup? guitar/amp?
-D
May 05, 2004 06:05 pm Funny you should mention something like this. A while back I had this problem.
The theory around has always been that the amp creates the overdrive/distortion that you hear guitar players using. This is false. An amplifier is only the means of making your signal loud. The pre amp on the other hand plays a big role. mesa uses anywhere from 6-9 12ax7 tubes in their preamps, so they would create about twice as much drive as the 800 using only 2.
OK!
Now that we are offically out of amp country because I could go on all day about that. Ive decided to turn the response back to sds2000s question. THE PEDAL!!!!
Just as long as you do actually have a solid tube amp (I prefer to stay away from solid state amps when it comes to things such as the guitar, or a bass-thats just me) you should be able to find a nice overdrive to fit your needs.
Ive been thinking about starting a company that makes one of a kind effects for players in need of a good hand built NON PCB analog pedal. I have been fiddling with these sort of things for a while now.
If you are on extreme low budget something like a boss ds-2 or a EH big muff could get you by. Id also caution against these sorts of pedals. first of all you wont find a true bypass distiortion for under 200$. they use cheep capasitors and transistors and resisters.. that should be reason enough. if you have any interest in a pedal i assure you that it will not cost you anywhere near 200$ and dont take much time at all to make. just a plug.
May 06, 2004 08:19 am Well, the poweramp certianly plays a role in a distorted sound- the JCM800 sound, in fact, IS largely poweramp distortion, because as you pointed out, it's a fairly clean preamp. Of course, that means these things need to be turned up quite loud for maximum gain potential. ;)
The Boss DS-1 is sorta a price performance winner, for an overdrive- there's a reason it's the go-to pedal for guys like Joe Satriani and Steve Vai, and I believe they retail for less than $70. I'm more of an amplifier distortion guy, but for the price, i really oughta grab one just to have it kicking around for when i'm looking for that "pedal overdriving an amp's front end" sound- it's got this particular smooth saturation to it that can be kinda cool.:) It's not really a super-heavy distortion, but that workign with a good amp can definately get you in the right ballpark...
But, at the end of the day, i think if you want a good "metal" distortion, it starts at the amp, and a pedal isn't going to get you there on it's own.
-D
May 06, 2004 10:49 am Well, If you are realy on extreme low (even ZERO!!) budget try any free PC/Windows distortion software like this typical for PC thing from guitarfx.net. It has 4 types of distortion and all other imaginable effects. These are small mp3s with sound examples produced by some distortion software:
guitarfx.org/demo_solo.mp3
guitarfx.org/demo_distortion.mp3
guitarfx.org/demo_overdrive.mp3
I made these mp3 by pluging guitar in Line-In of sound card (old SB Live), I did not use any other equipments, only guitar and PC.
Also look at my collection of distortion stompboxes, all under $200 (typicaly $20..$150) even several distortion boxes have REAL tube!!!www.geocities.com/bestdistortion
May 06, 2004 11:01 am Awesome Links, I gotta get noize2u to put them in the directory!
Welcome to HRC DigiGuitar...it appears that site may be yours, is that true? did you make those FX?
May 06, 2004 02:02 pm I'm not trying to be mean to Drew or anything but the DS-1 is maybe the worst pedal ever (except for the Boss Hand Clapper perhaps). But he's right, for the price... you know. The problem is that good distortion is really hard to get out of a pedal. You just need cranked tubes. Which brings me to the real question. Where is the signal going after it leaves the pedal? An amp? If so which one. DI into the computer? That would make a huge difference.
May 06, 2004 03:56 pm Thanks to db Masters! The site is not only mine, but partly my too... Yes I have developed some imortant parts of these software effects. Usually real guitar playes are not computer professionals and often they don't know even how to plug-in guitar into PC, say 1/4 - 1/8 adaptor is a seriuose problem, so, you all can ask me here, I will try to explain...
May 06, 2004 05:12 pm Firetruck, the ol' DS-1 is my personal favorite for distortion pedals...I LOVE IT. It's the only stomp box I still have...had it for probably 15 years...
May 07, 2004 10:03 am Firetruck, i agree 110% on the tube amp side of things. That's why I currently don't own a single distortion. It's just, if you hit a good tube pre with a DS-1, there's some pretty good sounds in the thing if you're willing to spend some time setting it, and if he's already got an amp he's not quite 100% happy with, it might be a good way to get a little extra thickness and roundness out of it.
Although, counterintuitively, a lot of the best "heavy" tones can be found by cutting, not boosting, gain... ;) I mean, rage especially is pretty clean.
-D
May 07, 2004 11:55 am drew-
the best tones come from amps that dont have "gain" on them. You dont need a distortion pedal with the TSL marshall. Im not a big fan of marshall amps except for the ones i build ;)
DS-1 will sound good if its modified by analogman or robert keeley (like vai and satch). right out of the box.. the newer ones made in taiwan dont have the same ring the japaneese ones had in the 80s...and dont sound ANYTNING CLOSE to what a modded one will sound like. These mods arnt hard to do yourself if you have the tools. 20-50$ can go a long way with that little orange box. There is not to much "tweaking" to do with the knobs on that pedal-just the guts.
May 08, 2004 07:26 pm any links to web sites explaining those mods? I'd love to take a crack at one, I have one of the old cool DS-1's.
May 09, 2004 01:55 pm To do a mode at first you need in schematic of your pedal. Go to google.com and seek "pedal schematic" or something like this, I have tons schematic on my site but due to non-advertize rule I do not point the URL of my site here. Then after you get shcematic look and think what you can change. Usually you can change capacitors and resistors values. From my point of view all these "oh-ah it will work excelent" do not work in real life. Do not think that hi salary electric engineers in BOSS or DOD are stupid and somebody, like a young student who was not hired in BOSS or DOD can invite something super good :-) Realy you will have some additional low or hi frequencies. So, more simple to buy BOSS or DOD multiband EQ and add low or hi freq. Do not waster your time with "mod".
May 09, 2004 02:15 pm Dude, you are taking my non-advertise rule entirely too seriously (which, as a whole is better than ignoring it I guess). I was making a note that I noticed trend, that being that you only responded to topics where your link could be added gracefully and never any other.
If you have a link to information that is relevent, I would never say don't post it.
May 09, 2004 03:04 pm the boss ds-1 was also used on the album that got me into music: nevermind.
May 09, 2004 06:14 pm synthia- I personally agree with you that the best distorted tones come from a guitar straight into a good high-gain amp, but a lot of people do prefer the sound you get from boosting an already driven preamp. It'a worth mentioning, at least.
Also, while I've heard rave reviews about Keeley's work, it's also worth mentioning that Satch has gone back to his stock DS-1 (when he even uses an overdrive anymore, his primary gain sound is from the JS-X now, and when I caught him at a in-store appearance at the Daddy's in boston, he didn't even have a DS-1 on his pedalboard anymore).
Db- if you mod the DS-1, you might as well operate on one of the newer ones- Keeley claims that, as all of the parts that make a difference between an old and new one get replaced in his mod anyway, it makes more sense just to grab a new one, as they're a lot cheaper. ;)
-D
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