Feb 17, 2004 12:29 pm "The pop business thrives on novelty and the best novelty is originality."
Ever co-opted, ever changing, trying to stay one step ahead of the money.
article: "The 21st Century guide to selling out"
Posted on Feb 17, 2004 08:50 am
TheTincanbug
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Feb 17, 2004 12:29 pm "The pop business thrives on novelty and the best novelty is originality."
Ever co-opted, ever changing, trying to stay one step ahead of the money.
Feb 17, 2004 12:34 pm I still don't understand why everyone thinks the music business should be any different than any other business. The people that get backing from people with money are the people that they feel can MAKE money. Whther it's selling out or not, it's all about money, just like any other damn business known to man.
I develop web sites for a living, do I choose my jobs based on the integrity and personal merit of the job, or do I choose the jobs that I can make the most from...well, that's an easy answer. Does that mean I have sold out? No, it means it's a business. People really need to get a grip and learn to understand and play the business rather than sitting back bitching about it and using it as an excuse for not doing better at it and looking down on those who have as "sellouts". They are business people. And the music business is just that...a BUSINESS.
Feb 17, 2004 01:08 pm I think anyone who approaches music as a business has no problem "selling out". I think it is those who approach music as an art that have issues with people selling out, but they should really concern themselves with their own decisions. If someone else wants to "sell out", that is their own decision to make.
I personally, have more of a problem with companies that co-opt styles and cultures of youth demographics (hip hoppers, skaters, to name a couple easy ones) to sell to those demographics. It's like taking something I've created and live in, and selling it back to me for more money. So I change, and they follow, like a peddler who doesn't get the message "No I don't want to buy any of your crap, now leave me alone". One of these days I'm going to turn around and stow on these people. Gaaaa!
Feb 17, 2004 01:15 pm Well, people that honestly look at it as an art shouldn't care about the business, nor if they make it in it. An attitude which I find admirable in it's true form. Those that claim to "be about the art" and still ***** about "the man" are really being as phony as anyone they look down on for "selling out". The only differecne being that the ones that "sold out" are getting paid, the other is just bitching.
Feb 17, 2004 03:38 pm ooh, new thought:
Also, people who complain about bands selling out are also usually fans of those bands, and probably look up said band for standing against the so called "establishment". But when the band then turns and embraces the "establishment" the fans are then kind of left in the lurch. The fans don't really look at it from a business perspective, but attach more emotions to their feelings for the band.
Anyhow, a group that I completely think has sold out and that I pretty much despise now is Black Eyed Peas (though not completely for the reason stated above).
Feb 17, 2004 03:40 pm Ya, perhaps, I tend to like bands cuz of the music they make and nothing more. Perhaps I am the minority.
Feb 17, 2004 03:47 pm yeah, but these days, bands are so much more than just their music. They're an image too.
Feb 17, 2004 03:49 pm "The fans don't really look at it from a business perspective, but attach more emotions to their feelings for the band."
Yeah! damn right! Metallica sucks!
Sorry... just getting emotional... went to 3 concerts, bought t-shirts and all their cds up to and including "Black"... and now they suck... correction: they met the expectations of the music industry so that they could make more money. by sucking. grrr.
"Ya, perhaps, I tend to like bands cuz of the music they make and nothing more. Perhaps I am the minority."
Yeah, me too.
Feb 17, 2004 05:01 pm I actually liked metallica more after they "sold out"...but only briefly. I never liked their old stuff...
Feb 18, 2004 09:26 pm I dont even care if I know who they are. If it is good, then it is good. If it ends up in a commercial, well good for them, they worked for it. Even Frank Zappa, who really didnt care if he was commercially succesfull sold millions of records, and he wouldnt have hesitated had Nike or someone aksed him to let his music be in a commercial.
I like it becuase it is music, nothing more, nothing less. It matters not to me if it is on the radio or not. Or even if no one else has heard them, if not then I will turn them onto the new music.
Sorry, I just rambled didnt I.
Feb 18, 2004 09:43 pm "Even Frank Zappa, who really didnt care if he was commercially succesfull sold millions of records, and he wouldnt have hesitated had Nike or someone aksed him to let his music be in a commercial."
yup. I bet that's true... You know, whatever spin you put on it, musicians have to eat and buy gear, and you usually have to have money to do either of those things - so somehow, musicians have to make some cash. I'd rather play guitar to make money than pump gas or whatever else, personally, if I figured I could make a go at it.
You know, I don't really think Metallica sucks. I think it's a lot more likely that my own tastes didn't change in the direction they chose to go after a certain point. I've listened to quite a few bands that I no longer get into... anybody remember Overkill, Metal Church, or Annihilator? Alice in hell, what were you looking for... Alice in hell, as I close the door! or something like that... hahaha
Feb 19, 2004 01:26 am Quote:
cds up to and including "Black"... and now they suck... correction: they met the expectations of the music industry so that they could make more money. by sucking. grrr.
You don't think they could have just got tired of what they were doing and decided to try different directions? You think the record company would want them to change when what they were doing was selling? If anything they were probably going against what the record company [establishment] would have wanted. We all change, bands are no different.
I really don't think most artists conform to what the "man" wants, they conform to what they themselves like and the ones that make it do so because alot of other people also like what they like. I've said it once and I'll say it again it's the fans, the buying public, that decides whats hot and whats not, no one else.
Dan
Feb 19, 2004 06:50 am if the musics any good itll outlast the ads anyway. its not like, led zepellin writing a cornflakes jingle or anything...
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