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Posted on Feb 12, 2004 12:55 pm
ILLbizzel
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I've been recording .wav files from the Triton to produce beats in Fruity Loops on my PC. But I heard MIDI is the way to go so then I dont have to record samples as .wav thus making the quality better.
So my question is this. If I properly hook up the midi in's and out's, from the keyboard, and record a Midi sample from the Triton, will it automatically trigger the sounds on the Triton? Or do I have to setup something?
And when I go to export a .wav file in Fruity, will it take the sounds from the Triton to produce the .wav? My thought is that I'd have to tranfer the Midi back to the triton, and then tranfer the midi from the Triton back to the computer as a .wav on the computer. I'm probably wrong, lmao.
I've read the MIDI articles explained on this site, but still am confused.
Since I'm not real familiar with MIDI, any help would be greatful.
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Feb 12, 2004 04:22 pm fruity is a .wav sequencer, so i don't think you can use it to control the triton via midi. if i'm wrong, i hope someone will correct me here.
i also don't think you'd be losing that much quality by continuing to make the wav files and sequencing them in fruity. i would keep doing that.
i have a triton. i dont use the drums in it, but if you want to experiment with midi, here's one thing you can do:
1. make up your own kits (see the triton instruction manual. map the drum sounds you like to certain keys, and then save those setups as triton programs, to floppy disk. than you can have a set of kits you like.)
2. put a midi track into your sequencer application. (in cubase, for example, you just add a midi track rather than an audio track).
3. record yourself on the midi track in your sequencer playing your kit in real time. it will show up in the midi track as midi data. when you play back your song, the midi track will trigger the triton to play back exactly what you played. these patterns will be coming out of the triton. to do this, you have to make sure the triton is synced to your sequencing app. in the triton, make this setting: Global Menu>Midi tab>check the External Midi box.
4. how is this different from just recording your performance in the triton's internal sequencer? it's not really much easier. fruity's a graphical interface, and very easy to use. if you record in the triton sequencer, you're only using your ear, or those awful editable data charts. much harder. if you use this method i'm describing here, you're still "playing live" and you'll have to deal with beats that are slightly off. but...you can at least use your sequencing app's quantize feature on the raw midi data you've recorded to tighten your performance. (i'm assuming you use cubase or sonar or something that has midi functionality). you can manipulate the notes you hit with your mouse, too, on screen. you can change your performance right on screen to get it exactly right, and i think you can probably use multiple midi tracks, all of which will control the triton. so this would basically be a way to augment the triton's sequencer functionality by giving you a graphical interface to better control your recordings.
i've never tried doing this. from what i understand, though, this would work.
does that make any sense?
another think you could try doing is searching for a midi drum sequencer. i don't know of any programs that do that, since i use fruity.
ILLbizzelILLbino - one of WA's finestMember
Since: Feb 10, 2004
Feb 12, 2004 04:39 pm I know I can use MIDI to trigger soundfonts in Fruity. And I can record a MIDI sample to the step sequencer or to the Piano Roll. I'm only working with one MIDI cable (MIDI out of Triton to MIDI IN of Soundcard). So, before buying another cable, I wanted to know what would happen if I hooked up the other MIDI cable from the MIDI OUT of the soundcard to the MIDI IN of the Triton. I guess that would probably trigger the sounds on the Triton, but when I render a .wav in Fruity, would it produce the sounds from the Triton to make a full .wav instrumental? I guess I'll just have to experiment.
I've seen people use Cubase and use quantize to produce files. Still not as easy as Fruity. But maybe something I should look into.
My quality right now is pretty decent. It's not as high of quality as say a Dr. Dre beat. But it is still pretty close.
Thanks for the feedback!
Feb 12, 2004 05:03 pm you'll need a second midi cable to make fruity trigger the triton via midi. yes, you're on the right track. they're cheap, so buy one and hook it up.
i had no idea fruity played soundfonts, and im not even sure what those are. i also don't know what a 'midi sample' is. i was under the impression that midi was never a sample. just a set of instructions telling another device what to do.
i can tell you what will happen, though. if you render a .wav file from inside fruity using fruity as a midi trigger for the triton, fruity will combine and export any regular wave files you may be using in your beat with the new audio coming in from the triton, the audio that fruity is triggering over there. the resulting product will be a wav file that is first generation triton audio mixed with second generation .wav audio from any .wav files you may have been using in your beat. if you are only using fruity to trigger the triton, fruity would be channeling the first generation audio from the triton stright into a finished, sequenced wav file.
again, though, i don't see how you'd get a big quality boost.
Feb 12, 2004 05:06 pm although second generation doesnt really describe, i dont think, what happens to the .wav files being used. since they never leave the digital environment, there is no generational loss.
i dont know what im talking about. someone help!
ILLbizzelILLbino - one of WA's finestMember
Since: Feb 10, 2004
Feb 12, 2004 07:45 pm You are right about MIDI being a set of directions.
Soundfonts are like a instrument you'd find on the Triton. In the piano roll of fruity, you can make a soundfont instrument play a single note consisitently for the whole song, or a quick hit, etc....It's just like what you can do with the instruments on the Triton. I just got a Yamaha soundfont that makes me have all the sounds that would be on that keyboard without having to buy the keyboard. If I could find a Triton soundfont, I'd sell my Triton and buy a generic Midi keyboard as the Triton wouldnt be of much use to me then. Yes, the triton has ways of editing a sound, but programs I use do that too.
The reason why I want to use Midi is because I have my keyboard go thru my mixer then to my soundcard with XLR and RCA wires. The quality is still good, but I want quality that the big producers use, lol (dont we all).
deepsMember
Since: Jan 26, 2004
Feb 12, 2004 07:56 pm All I can say is Korg Triton beautiful piece of equipment and you can and should personally send your triton samples to fruity and work your magic using fruity if you hate trying to produce beats with a keyboard...Were you able to bring the samples into fruity just fine?
Feb 12, 2004 09:08 pm well , that explains soundfonts for me. thanks. how big is that yamaha soundfont you got? in megabyte-age?
ILLbizzelILLbino - one of WA's finestMember
Since: Feb 10, 2004
Feb 12, 2004 09:20 pm Yeah, the samples transfer just fine. I dont hear any distortion, but I'm sure theres some added noise that I cant hear that maybe other people could hear.
I do love the Triton for its sounds. But I'm sure I can do everything that the Triton can do on the computer if I had the soundfont (like combinations, effects, sequencing, etc.). Of course there are a few things I couldn't do, but those are things that I doubt I'll ever use anyway.
As for the yamaha soundfont, it is huge, lmao. Over 100 mb which takes it a while to load, but once its loaded, I get 128 GM patch sounds that can easily be triggered with midi.
Feb 12, 2004 10:58 pm nice!
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Feb 15, 2004 09:54 pm Well, lets make this really simple. You can use a recording program, ie:Sonar, Cubase, and I believe you can record midi data from your Korg into Fruity as well. Then when it plays that track back you simply assing it to play through whatever channel on the korg you have assigned that sound to and it will play it back through the Korg.
If you need a more defined answer let me know.
In other word go buy that other cable and save yourself the extra work you are doing.
Feb 16, 2004 12:01 am the sound still comes through cables no matter what you do. if it's coming from the triton, it's going thru your mixer.
so you should get triton soundfonts
