Dec 16, 2003 06:12 pm Full hardware and software ProTools or Nuendo systems that cost SEVERAL thousand dollars...tens of thousands...
What do the pros use?
Posted on Dec 16, 2003 06:08 pm
BennisHahn
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I have been wondering for a while what real professional studios use for an interface between the computer and those 48 channel analog mixers? How does a signal chain go from the mic to the computer? Anyone have a site that explains this or have any info? I have done some google searches but they have been fruitless.
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Dec 16, 2003 06:12 pm Full hardware and software ProTools or Nuendo systems that cost SEVERAL thousand dollars...tens of thousands...
Dec 16, 2003 06:42 pm And alot of those 48 channel mixers are much larger then that. There are still many studios that are in the analog domain and that means they go to tape from those large format consoles. But as dB said, most that go to digital, not all but most hook into some very expensive gear. Not the kind you would find in a home studio or project studio. Although I do know of several big studios using large format consoles that run them into stacks of Delta 1010s or Laylas, but not very many.
Dec 16, 2003 07:16 pm We just checked out a studio that this guy had 6 or 8 delta 1010s... it was nuts.
Dec 16, 2003 09:30 pm Yes, that was probably one of the smartest things M-Audio did was to make their stuff play well together like that. I know several places that use them in such a manner stacking multiple units up like that.
Dec 16, 2003 10:11 pm I'm supprised they do not use multiple multitrackers like two Alesis HD24's for a 48 track system. Then just upload the tracks into software. It is actually a pretty inexpensive option.
Dec 17, 2003 10:47 am just think of this rule: If it sounds good, then it IS good.
I know of a few studio's 'B rooms' have Pro Tools TDM and use a Mackie D8B board. Most 'A rooms' will use something along the lines of a Neve board to Pro Tools HD. Of course, that's just 2 of a thousand possible different configurations, but the norm is Pro Tools. Nuendo has been popping up all over the place too.
i would pickup a "Mix" magazine subscription. they have planty of articles on pro studios and interviews with their producers/engineers. It's not really for the 'home recording' crowd but it's good stuff.
Dec 17, 2003 08:52 pm Dont fret Walt, there are several up here that have ADAT rooms as well. I believe Paisley has a couple of ADAT rooms for smaller rooms.
Dec 17, 2003 09:19 pm if I ever expand to the twenty simultanious I/o that I want I'm gonna use three delta 1010s. I do have a question though on this subject. Lets say that a studio is running a neve 8087 into a full blown protools rig. Do they only use the neve to track on, send the signals into that and then into the PC, or do they also send the signal back out of the PC into the Neve to mix externally and then send the mixed signal back into the PC... if they do the latter, how is that hooked up?
Dec 18, 2003 03:24 am i'm not 100% pos but i don't think it would be too bright to use the Neve to A/D into PC the D/A back to the Neve again if it's a vintage analog board, of course i've never had the $$ to investigate whether neve has a digital board. i think they may just use the neve for it's preamps then do the mixing in PT. for all i know the neve may have a hui that controls PT so they may use the board to mix in the digital realm.
Dec 18, 2003 06:11 am no the Neve 8087 is a purely analog board unless modified. It would seem like a shame though to have such a sweet desk sitting in front of you and have to resort to mixing with a mouse.
Dec 18, 2003 07:05 am That's what I love about this gig! The "psudo" pros have more and more convenient, but not appreciably more descrete sound. Note; "psudo" is a personal feeling based on much of the music I hear being produced. Many pro studios to my ear make "production" music. Like off a conveyor belt. I have heard much better mixes come from folks here. That is one reason I record. I got frustrated with production sound.
Dec 18, 2003 09:15 am i get confused with 2 or 3 tracks. those guys must be really smart....
Dec 18, 2003 04:02 pm Only two or three? Jeez, I use three just for one guitar
Dec 18, 2003 08:29 pm Loki, there is a yes and no answer here. Yes you track through the Neve onto tape or whatever. And usually someone with an 8087 wil be tracking to tape, and possibly to HD as well. But it is not uncommon to send a signal back out through a Large format console to warm it up or remix so to say. Lots of guys still like the feel of a full large format console, especially fully automated like the 8087. To be honest, if I had the room I would put a large format in here as well. Maybe when I do the addition??? But to reiterate, yes you can and many do run it back out and back in again. I do it here even with my Behringers.
Dec 19, 2003 02:40 am yeah if I had a large console I'd run it in, out, and in again, just to get to use all the nifty buttons and faders
Dec 19, 2003 04:32 pm Isn't nuendo made by Steinberg? I thought tha Cubase SX was steinberg's main/best program?
Note that i have absolutely no experience with Nuendo, or Cubase, so i dont know, but from what ive heard, isnt Cubase superior to Nuendo?
Dec 19, 2003 04:38 pm Ya Dan, I'm with you. I never really understood where Nuendo fits into the Steinberg line up. I begining to wonder if it doesn't lend better to control surfaces or something like that. From the publicity that I frequent SX is the headliner.
Dec 19, 2003 05:09 pm Nuendo is Steinbergs audio/video editing suite. They are poised it seems to take another large step ahead, as are several others. I have been reading several articles about Cakewalk and Steinberg getting ready for a big move into this realm. Cakewalk was the first to incorperate the use of a video frame into their DAW. Then Steinberg released Nuendo to go one step better, but it was only two track audio. Now think about the steps Cakewalk has taken recently, P5 released, Sonar 3 Producer released, joining forces with Roland worldwide (who just happens to be in cahoots with Edirol, one of the biggets mfg.'s of video editing hardware and suites). Now if that doesnt smell like team spirit I dont know what does. And with the hints dB and I got from the Cakewalk guy a couple months ago I am guessing they are preparing to take a vey large step into the audio/video suite realm. And judging from the leaps forward they have made recently, I am guessing they have a plan. But that said, I have read that Steinberg is preparing to make a big step with Nuendo, how big is to be determined.
But, as far as control surfaces go, no Nuendo isnt any better at accepting them.
Dec 19, 2003 05:55 pm Nuendo is the tool that Steinberg is using to take on ProTools head-on...bottom line is that I think...
Dec 20, 2003 03:36 am Also Neundo offers 5.1 surround mixing (I think) whereas Cubase does not.
(could be wrong, any other mods feel free to edit my post)
Dec 20, 2003 09:59 am Thas the plus that gives them an advantage toward video as well. But after going and checking the specs on 2.0, I can see dBs point about going up against PT. They have hardware aimed at it as well.
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