Dec 05, 2003 02:58 am Oh yeah, the other thing I forgot to mention is I attempt to do vocals on this one too.
Here's a song for ya to sink your teeth into
Posted on Dec 05, 2003 02:56 am
Bob
Member Since: Jun 20, 2003
... but please don't tear the flesh. This is my first post here. I'm not real happy with the sound quality but I learned a lot in the process of putting this one together. Also a disclaimer here: in this song I attempt to play Guitar & drums even though I'm not a guitarist or a drummer by any stretch. Trying to branch out a little from my orignal instrument (keyboards). Song title is New Sunrise:
www.nowhereradio.com/arti...815&alid=-1
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Dec 05, 2003 02:58 am Oh yeah, the other thing I forgot to mention is I attempt to do vocals on this one too.
Dec 05, 2003 08:40 am Great song! I like the structure and chord progression. The organ solo was a great call. The musicianship is good, and I don't think that you have anything to worry about on the vocals.
The snare drum is dragging behind the beat through a lot of the song, and a couple of the fills are a bit out of time.
The .mp3 encoding says that it's at 128 kbp/s, but it sounds more "tinny" than most of what I've heard at 128. Its no big deal, it's just kind of distracting. Which encoder are you using? You might want to give the LAME encoder a try.
Dec 05, 2003 11:11 am Thanks for your comments Tadpui. Yeah I'm realizing I need to clean up the drums on this one. I think I'll re-record them & update the post. I used the Fraunhofer MP3 encoder that I gort as an extension to my copy of Cakewalk Pyro. It does have some higher quality settings that I'll try & see if the result sounds better. Who makes the LAME encoder?
Dec 05, 2003 12:59 pm Lame is an open source mp3 encoder distributed by GNU. It's just a .dll file, so it needs to be used with a program that encodes in .mp3. You may be able to use it with Cakewalk then, but I'm not sure how you'd install it. I use Audiograbber, so I just downloaded the lame_enc.dll file and dropped it into audiograbber's base directory and it shows up as an option under "internal encoder" within Audiograbber.
Maybe a Cakewalk pro will happen by this thread and have some input.
Good luck!
Dec 05, 2003 01:07 pm The default mp3 encoder with any Cakewalk Product is a dumbed down encoder, the authentic Fraunhofer encoder is an upgrade unless you own a "Pro Audio" version of Cakewalk pre-Sonar. If you own Pro Audio 9 (or 6, 7 or 8 I think) and upgrade to Sonar 1, 2 or 3 then you need to insert your Pro Audio disk to prove you own it to do the "free upgrade" to the real-deal Fraunhofer.
I know nothing beyond the mere existance of Pyro, I have never used it, so I may be wrong about that one, but if spending $300 on Sonar doesn't get a guy the real Fraunhofer encoder, I doubt buying Pyro does...but ya never know.
Dec 05, 2003 04:49 pm I do believe they did now put the higher quality version on Pyro 2003. I dont remember truthfully what was on previous versions though, but as dB said it is a lite version of what comes with their Pro Audio apps. I tried the Demo of Pyro 2003 as well as last years, and it didnt have the choices I have in Sonar. So when they say High quality mp3 encoder I would imagine it is the liter version of the Fraunhofer encoder, and either way, it is a great encoder.
Now I have not tried using the LAME encoder in either Sonar or Pyro. I didnt really see either in their recomended apps to use it with. But that said it doesnt mean it wont work in Pyro though. I do believe they hae a tech support section at both sites dealing with the LAME encoder, and you could hit them up for a list of whos encoders work best with LAME.
Dec 05, 2003 04:50 pm Oh yes, I will give your tune a good listen later this evening and post back at ya tonight or tommorrow.
Dec 06, 2003 08:06 am Good tune, vocals seem a little burried, and yes the timing is off- but over all a good job!
Dec 07, 2003 01:13 am Hey thanks your comments Tony - I pieced the drums & guitar parts together in a way that got things pretty sporatic rhythmically. I definately plan to go back & clean this one up. I also need to figure out what I did to get things sounding so overloaded -- maybe too much compression on the individual tracks or levels too high going into final mixdown, although I never saw clipping.
Dec 07, 2003 07:34 am Mixing is the beast thats never tamed. (sombody should copy and paste that line... its great)
read the article on mixing here at hrc. i just think you need eq adjustments- create a "hole" for the vocals- a "hole" for keys so each individual track looks like an eq mountain- but each mountain has a peak in a diffrent range.... does that make sense?
hey db or noise, can you throw the link at him?
Dec 07, 2003 07:52 am www.homerecordingconnecti...tory&id=154 one of the best articles I have read on the subject...
Dec 07, 2003 08:34 am ya, thats the one to live by
Dec 16, 2003 02:52 am OK, thanks again for your comments Tony & Tadpui. I made a stab at fixing up the drums on this one (updated the file on NWR), but it's still a bit rough -- mind you I'm not a drummer. Ultimately it's gonna be a redo, but thought I'd see how far I can get on a pair of retread tires in the meanwhile.
Dec 16, 2003 07:13 pm Very nice raw material. Just as you where saying Bob, well worth sinking a little time into. Excelent learning tool. I agree with you. Might as well experiment with it and see just what you can get out of it. That will no doubt give you a lot of insite when it is time for the redo.
I did this with the last group I recorded as a professional endevor. I told them up front that I wanted one session just to mix and play with. I gave them a copy to take home so they could identify the things they wanted to change in their performance while I was doing the same in regard to recording. When we did the second session things where like a machine. Got a great finished product.
Personaly, I think it is just good practice.
Dec 16, 2003 09:28 pm Well, I finally had time to give it a listen. Other then what allready been discussed, I would maybe try and put a bit more work into getting the vocal part a little more noticed in the mix. It seems to blend in and get burried amongst the guitars. You cna for the most part distingwish them, but they are still somewhat muddied in the mix.
Dec 16, 2003 11:52 pm Thanks for the comments Walt, Noize. That was my first attempt to do a one man full band recording. And yes I realize my vocals are a little hidden but that was rather intentional (just couldn't stand to crank em up any higher). So this'll be my rough draft for now ...
Dec 17, 2003 08:56 am Wow. That's a lot of tallent for one man! Cudos!
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