Sep 28, 2003 07:46 pm sounds good man, i can't think of anything wrong with it
Porpoise as a producer?!?
Posted on Sep 28, 2003 07:09 pm
PorpoiseMuffins
a.k.a. Porp & Mr. Muffins
Member Since: Oct 09, 2002
I just put up a song on NoWhereRadio by a friend of mine. I actually did a whole 12 track CD with him and took my first role as a producer for someone else. It was cool to be able to record, mix and master an entire CD for someone, even if it is far from perfect. It's really fun fitting all the songs together.
So I was just looking for a critique on the arranging, instrumentation, mixing and mastering. The song was actually originally recorded as a simple acoustic tune (without a tempo track!) and then I went back and added the drums and bass on top of the guitar and vocals. It's kind of like the CD's "single." Anyways, keep in mind that it takes a while to "get going." Thanks for listening!
The song is titled "From the Inside" by Glenn
www.nowhereradio.com/arti...547&alid=-1
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Sep 28, 2003 07:46 pm sounds good man, i can't think of anything wrong with it
Sep 28, 2003 08:10 pm Nice work porp. I like the way the bass and drum come in. and I also like the little vocal treatment a bit past mid track. You hae a nice stereo picture going there very well placed sounds. As you said not perfect but I will say almost perfect. The addition of the bass and drum was not over the top as can happen on some tunes like this one. Again, very nice job.
Sep 28, 2003 09:13 pm Nice :)
points:
o Guitar Panned left with the bass panned right? Move them a bit closer together, I feel the stereo field is a bit too wide on headphones.
o Nice drum programming, I feel the snare is panned too far to the left, I would pan it center.
I like the backing vocals at 2:30, good use of effects.
Other than that real nice, good work on the guitar sound.
regards
Sep 28, 2003 09:35 pm Thanks guys, I really appreciate the feedback.
Jues- I guess that the Guitar sounds like it's panned left because of the delay I put in between the left and right speakers. I guess I probably made it a bit too dramatic, or perhaps I shouldn't have done it at all. Maybe two mics on the guitar panned L and R would sound better? What do you think? The bass is panned center, but I guess the guitar being more in the left speaker kind of makes it sound that way. The delayed guitar is probably what's responsible for that big stereo field.
The drums are actually real :) I'm not sure whether them sounding like their programmed is a good thing or not :D Did you download the MP3 or just stream it? Maybe the streaming made them sound weird. I think I actually only used 3 mics on the set because I was so happy with how my test runs sounded that I didn't want to touch anything. So that's why the snare sounds panned a bit too much to the left. I really like how the snare sound came out, though. I think it really matches the style of the song.
Thanks for the complament on the backing vocals. I told the singer that he should double up in those parts and he seemed a little uncertain about it at first. He didn't think it would sound very good, but when he heard the whole thing I think he realized what I was trying to do and he really liked the result.
Sep 28, 2003 09:41 pm Wow, recorded drums :) Please take my comment about programmed as a compliment, I thought you have "played" a drum machine live along with the track, but with 3 mikes and recorded, that is a good result :) I would be happy with that drum sound, just the panning of the snare :)
As for the delay, yeah, it throws the panning pretty hard, I my self prefer double tracking and 50% panning on acoustic guitar, but a delay with subtle taps can work just as sweetly IMHO.
Sep 29, 2003 06:28 pm Nice job Porp! I love the acoustic sound you got. Very nice production over all IMHO.
Sep 30, 2003 02:31 pm Okay, Jues, I'll take it as a compliment :)
I'd never really realized Acoustic guitars could be effectively double-tracked until just recently when listening closely to a few tunes. I'll have to try that next time I record acoustic.
BTW, I've really like that Carkeys song even more now that I've listened to it over a few times :)
Oh, and how's that new Flipcycle EP coming along? I can't wait to hear a track from that.
Blue- Thank-you very much! I'm glad to hear you like it.
Oct 01, 2003 01:32 am Sounds great to me. Bass is in the middle playing on my system. guitar does hard left. The drums and bass really made the song. How do you get such a nice clear punchy bass? Mine always sounds blah.
Wanna be my producer? <G>
Dan
Oct 02, 2003 01:38 am hey, this is excellent work. I've never recorded live drums, but the kick sounds kinda wierd to me. I really like the vocal double ups as well (I feel like I tell everyone that). Overall, this is really crisp and clear sounding. Very nice.
Oct 02, 2003 02:55 pm Thanks!
Olddog- Yeah, that's what everyone who hears it seems to say (especially my mother... haha) "the drums and the bass really make the song." She's heard the before and after, too :) By "clear and punchy bass" are you talking about the bass guitar, bass drum, or just the bass frequencies?
I'll be your producer if your willing to do a lot of driving ;)
Coolo- Thanks a lot. The bass drum is rather punchy, almost more of a punk kick drum sound. It might sound kind of weird for the music because of that extra top end. I tend to like it, though. I'm happy with the double ups too :)
Oct 02, 2003 06:27 pm How did you get that acoustic track to sound so good porpoise?
Oct 04, 2003 01:25 pm porp: I was refering primarily to the bass guitar, but the drums are just as good :)
I just bought a new car thats gets great gas milage so I'll be there soon. <G>
Dan
Oct 06, 2003 11:38 am Rightside- The acoustic track is a Martin guitar recorded through a tube condenser mic. it's miced right up close to the sound hole. I used my behringer MX mixer for the preamp, and the signal is also going through a compressor with a very small amount of compression, ratio about 2:1. I also applied some reverb to the signal using Cakewalk Reverb from Sonar. It's a very warm souding reverb because It's not adding reverb to the highs, just the mids and some lows. This prevents it from sounding weird and tinny. The other trick I did was I copied the track and delayed it a little bit by dragging it a few milliseconds forward. Then I panned the tracks about 80% L and R. What's better is if you actually play the same thing over twice rather than just copy and paste, but you can only really do that if you recorded to a metronome, which my friend didn't want to do.
Olddog- The bass is miked with an SM57 through a Peavey TKO 15" bass combo. That's basically it. I believe it is also going through my Behringer Composer compressor. Glad you like it. I also made sure that every pluck of the string matched the bass drum exactly, so that helped it sound punchy :)
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