Djent

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I've seen a lot of kids on teh youtubes messing around with djent and it intrigued me. Basically its just metal but more technical and you give your guitar a shot of mids-steroids.

I kinda dig it, I donno if I'd be able to write a whole song because I'm not a super technical player. But definitely fun to crank out a snippit.



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Apr 14, 2012 04:14 am

I guess I did :) its a / not a \.

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Apr 14, 2012 10:44 am

For some reason when I tried to use the word djent to describe this style to my "metal" friends they harpooned me for it. Not sure why. Have you heard Meshuggah? Pretty much my go to band for the genre. When I think of technical metal I think of players like Yngwie; arpeggios, and sweep picking. I agree that this is technical too, but it's all right hand technique (I think). If you're unfamiliar with Meshuggah try out Chaosphere. Pretty awesome.





PS- To avoid the cold stares I get when using the word djent, I describe the sound as "You know that kind of metal where it sounds like a dozen pairs of tennis shoes in the dryer during its tumble cycle?" That always gets the point across, ha.

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Apr 14, 2012 11:00 am

And while we're on the subject of obscure metal subgenres, and because I don't know if I shared this since you became a regular on HRC:





Slowest metal I've ever heard. They call it "Funeral doom" haha

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Apr 15, 2012 02:59 am

Ya meshuggah is pretty much the epitome of djent.

And funeral doom is the funniest thing ever. Reminds me of a cover I did of Imperial March I called Imperial Mosh!


It was years ago.


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Apr 15, 2012 03:05 am



Found it!

http://www.reverbnation.com/2ndg
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Apr 15, 2012 04:41 am

im not sure Meshuggah would be keen on being called djent hahaha.
its far far more than that. No ones doing what they do. Djent kinda copies it but ya gotz to be some kinda muso to do their stuff like they do if you listen carefully to it, its alot more than just half finished riffs and off times to a 3/4 pattern.

We're talking modulating guitar riffs under modulating drums that follow the kicks and dont... whether it be 8 or 16th notes or whatever, with random half note hat hits that are ever so slightly droppped in there that have potential to disturb the root of patterns, especially if they choose jump on it guitar wise, but will still follow a rule of thumb based on the actual style itself,

its not just random, and then learnt and remembered as so, it still follows a pattern based on making it add up correctly at the end, and alot of time appearing overall as just 4/4.
what timing, off or on, what drum piece they choose to start a riff on, AND where in that modulation they choose to start that guitar riff is where the magic is, but it will always work out in the end,

Like anything you do in a piece, the math has to work out if that make sense?
Whether it be one bar long or a modulating piece where the kicks might modulate 11 bars before it goes back to the beginning again, or more simply a 5/4 beat with 3/8 hats for eg.
The 3/8 hat for eg; can also be robbed in one spot anywhere in that modulation so it never has a chance to repeat itself based on the kicks mod.
but the kicks somehwere could easily be changed to fit with that munted hat mod,
but its has to workout based on where the over all mod is meant to be headed (5/4) AND still needs to sound cool. Otherwise you might as well play any old shiz and just remember it, its not the same, and sounds overlly conceptual just for the sake of it. which is where alot of metal is going these days its annoying.

You listen to chaosphere, even the kicks at the start are soo soo slightly changed in spots of the pattern that you hardly notice it till they make up for that change further down the modulation. They continually jump the gun in a 4/4 riff and finish it early, and then jump the gun with a snare to fix it somehwere else next time round, in which case means the guitar then has to jump ahead or back to be off time again. Ferking madness....i loves it.

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Apr 16, 2012 10:08 pm

I guess I equate djent to more of the tone of the guitars and the syncopated rhythms.And I didn't know the word djent left such a bad taste in everyone's mouth :P

I hesitate to get in the middle of a genre argument because its all just rock. If it rocks, its rock. It's definitely not pop lol.

Uh, at least one more time . . .
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Apr 17, 2012 12:08 am

I don't usually go for this kind of music (Meshuggah), but it's wild the way the snare seems to be chasing the guitars (until the near end of the tune). I like the strange ambient moise in the middle too. Good stuff, actually. What's the etymology behind "djent"? Funeral doom? Yeah, it's appropriate for "Quietus."

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Apr 17, 2012 09:25 am

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I'm not sure Meshuggah would be keen on being called djent


I think they coined the term, so probably ok with it. LOL!!

Coined by Fredrik Thordendal of the band Meshuggah in the early 2000s, the term was popularized through the internet by American guitarist Misha Mansoor, founder of Periphery. The word "djent" is an onomatopoeia for the distinctive high-gain, distorted palm-muted guitar sound employed by Meshuggah. Typically, the word is used to refer to music that makes use of this sound, to the sound itself, or to the scene that revolves around it.

Wiki seems to imply the word itself is more about the sound than the math. Regardless... listen to Obscura instead and fogedaboudit!!!

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Apr 17, 2012 03:56 pm

I actually enjoy Evoken pretty well too, especially the Quietus track.

Post some Obscura, Hippie, I'd be interested to hear it.

Speaking of obscure...





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Apr 18, 2012 12:24 am

Din't realize they called that name themselves. Djent still isn't a genre tho. (stirs pot)

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Apr 18, 2012 05:35 pm

AH! So its just an onomatopoeia for the sound of the guitars. Like chug. Anywho, I personally prefer songs to have a more straight forward stucture. 4/4 time with verses and choruses and stuff. That's why Blink 182 will always be my favorite band. But as a musician/engineer and not as a consumer I really do like to listen to music that pushes the boundaries of conventional structure.

That video is hilarious. Sounds like fun to write/play random chunks of music. And that bass is massive! They kind of remind me of The Fall of Troy. But more metal.

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Apr 18, 2012 07:15 pm

That's the first time I've ever heard that term. I don't usually keep up with all these subgenres though. I usually just call it metal or if I want to be more specific, I'll call it Opeth, or Cynic, or whatever the band name is.

Yeah, that bass is massive. Almost looks like a Chapman Stick with a body.

Here's another band that pushes the boundries of conventional structure. Not necessarily my cup of tea, but I can appreciate the technicality of it:





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Apr 18, 2012 08:16 pm

It's a Warr guitar I'm pretty sure.

So that's where Blotted Science came from eh? Awesome. Thanks for sharing that Spastic Ink band

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Apr 18, 2012 08:28 pm




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Apr 19, 2012 03:09 am

Have you guys heard of "shreds" videos?









That's what the band up there with the massive bass reminds me of.

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Apr 20, 2012 06:47 pm

Haha, that's hilarious. That's gotta be the worst rendition of One, ever.

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