Sep 09, 2011 09:59 pm I'm a huge bayside fan! Great cover!
Bayside Cover (with vocals)
Posted on Sep 09, 2011 07:39 pm
quickxkid
Member Since: Jan 30, 2011
I don't record vocals all that often. So what do you think? I'm looking mostly for mix critique but if you have any vocal tips that would be cool too.
http://soundcloud.com/quickxkid/devotion-and-desire
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Sep 09, 2011 09:59 pm I'm a huge bayside fan! Great cover!
Sep 09, 2011 11:51 pm I listened to it with fresh ears and decided I wanted a different drum and guitar sound.
Heres v2.0
http://soundcloud.com/quickxkid/devotion-and-desire
ps: I know right! Bayside is rad.
Sep 09, 2011 11:54 pm lol I just realized I deleted it and reposted under the same name, so the link is the same. No need to repost the link.
Sep 10, 2011 10:44 am The music is pretty well spot on and the vocals are damn close too. I hear a few pitchy spots - but who am I to talk - I can't sing very well at all...
The overall sound needs to be a little cleaner on all of your trax on soundcloud. (I listened to all the covers - good job by the way!)
The sound is real good - the songs just have somewhat of an airy sound to them.
I'm not sure if it is in the inital recording trax or somewhere in mixing or mastering. Don't take me wrong - the overall sound on all of the songs is tight and well performed - I just think a little more compression overall is needed. The sound is there - it just needs that "little" extra compression to get that tight overall sound. Like I said, it might be somewhere in the process before mix down - I'm not sure.
Good job though!!!
Do you have original tunes too?
Audiowriter
Sep 13, 2011 11:18 pm Even better
Sep 14, 2011 11:19 pm I have one original song I wrote, Its called "eyes wide"
I wrote it for my wife but never wrote lyrics for it.
Thats why I do covers and why I'm trying to become a professional mixing engineer, I suck at writing.
I think my problem in mixing is I know what needs to be done to fix the mix, but I over do it. I read about it in a book once, where say for instance you have a kick, and it needs more uumph and more click. So you eq it. Boost some lows, scoop mids, and boost highs. Now it sounds great! But then you go back and listen to it another day and you realize that now the kick is waaay too clicky. Its because at the time you overdid the effect you were going for so in the end its a bit over the top. What the book suggested is that whatever youre gonna do, do it then dial it back by half. Like instead of 5db at 5k, dial it back to 2.5 db. So in my later mixes I'm trying to impliment that. I appreciate you listening to my other covers :) And thanks for the kind words quincy.
ps: I don't think compression has anything to do with it, if youre talking about master compression. I think what I need is more clarity in the mix first. But Its still good to hear what my mixes are lacking. So airy? As in needs a bigger low end? Or needs a dryer mix?
Sep 15, 2011 07:02 am dude youre so right on the over produce thing. not saying you do it, but more im agreeing with your perception on that comment.
tis/was, (well im hoping was), my probs with mixing also.
what i find with mixing is, the only thing i ever read that stands true about it is, dont mix a thing until everything is recorded then notch and keep notchin till you get what you want.
If ya start too early, then your mixes to a large degree will be absolutley governed around your orginal perceived notion of a good mix before youve heard/ added all the ingredients.
and the worst thing is to start mixing the kick drum in metal, to get it all clicky and **** before the song is complete. tis what i used to do and the mixes lacked or had zero cohesion.
Your mixes arent as bad as what mine were at one stage but i can sorta hear theyre in a similar vien. this is all only my opinion of course
Theyre crisp, clean, with much clarity, but too much of a good thing is not a good thing if that makes sense. In this case i mean to much nice not enough cohesion or mud.
Let the mud fly i say hahahaha. like a mud brick house, its the only thing that holds that puppy together.
I found it really hard to get used to at first, but i listen to my older mixes and throw up soon after.
Another hard one in metal is, backing the cymbals and hats off more to allow more of the mix to come through, then you start to think **** man, the mix really is quite turdy under the cymbal and hats noise.
Sep 15, 2011 09:52 am First of all, like I also said earlier, the recordings on all of your tunes are very good, the performances are also excellent. Very good job!
However, may I say that when listening to an original recording of a cover tune - it always puts the listener automatically into "comparison" mode. Not just with the song itself, but also with the general sound of the style of music. With that said, an original tune (or “sound”) will lend itself to allow listeners NOT to compare to another band’s particular sound. (There may be some similarities, but the listener won’t be looking for similarities – as is almost automatic with doing cover tunes.) (And BTW – you are very close to hitting the mark in “comparison mode” on what you have achieved!!!)
As for using your cover tunes to give opinions about your studio and recording sound-
For me earlier saying your mixes sounded a little "airy" = might be a little of everything said in the replies above - including your own comments.
I don't think it needs a drier sound - but maybe thickening up the rhythm guitar (doubling, panning – I know it’s hard to double track some intense rhythm guitar tracks)
Maybe trying to blend the overall production more - like Dematrix said - "too much of a crisp, clear sound may not be a good thing for certain music styles / songs." ??? = trial and error.
I haven’t had a chance to listen to your songs on a kicking system – I’m using small computer speakers – so the low end is not being put out there for me to comment on.
I’m just comparing your overall sound to other commercial songs (Green day, etc.) that I listen to on these same speakers. I’m not necessarily talking about the exact same songs as you covered either.
IMO – you are on the right track to getting the bugs worked out for you recording these styles of music in your studio. And, each different style of music requires a different approach to it – everything from recording, mixing, effects to mastering. This is also true for each individual band or original sound within the same style.
Don’t take me wrong, for what it’s worth, I couldn’t get near what you have with the styles of songs you are working with – not only do I NOT have the talent to perform the instruments – but I would be a little lost in polishing the recordings if I had them n my system.
And, since you don't write / record many of your own original tunes - and you are really looking to engineer / produce other bands / artists ----- you (I / all of us) may be surprised at the killer sounds you polish when engineering / producing an original band / artist with what you do with covers.
Keep rockin, I have a feeling you’ll be producing some very killer stuff in the near future!
Audiowriter
Sep 15, 2011 10:24 am i'd have to agree with AW too. I wouldnt mind listening on a nice system, see how it all goes on that.
But what im hearing and as AW mentioned, needs a thicker sound, IMO this means less mud scooped out and more the "correct" bass freq scooped out to bring it all back together.
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