Jun 07, 2011 10:56 pm I hates me some irresponsible gun owners...
Holy crap! Some people shouldn't have guns...
Posted on Jun 07, 2011 08:33 pm
Quincysan
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My friend got shot last night. He was driving home from a bar our mutual buddy plays every Monday. Some idiot was shooting up a house with a .45 and a couple stray bullets went through the car. One went through the seat, over the driver while he ducked. The other went through my good friend; we've played in bands together since sophomore year in HS. The bullet went through his left bicep and lodged itself into his right knee. We were set up to record his current band at a community center this weekend. Guess I'll take a raincheck on that...
Crazy thing is I typically go to that performance every Monday but skipped this one because I forgot about it. I would have been going down the same street at the same time.
If you remember that Steel City song I posted a while back; he plays bass in that band. In my profile photo gallery, he's the one in the "my old band" pictures, far right.
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Jun 07, 2011 10:56 pm I hates me some irresponsible gun owners...
Jun 07, 2011 11:39 pm Yeah, totally agree.
I don't know. Maybe there's a better way to levy responsibilities or something. I think dB has some pretty big opinions on this topic as well, so I'm sure he'll chime in. :) But I also think if the wrong type of control was put in place, then mostly the criminals would be the ones with the illegal weapons. Can't ban them, criminals would find another way to get 'em.
I wonder how Japan handles it. I used to know (took a couple courses in college involving asia and japan in particular) But they have very very little problem with gun violence. They also have very very strict laws regarding firearms.
I think stricter education on firearms would help, knowing that once that projectile leaves the barrel, it's going to go -somewhere-. Either into the ground after gravity stops it or if it's fired into the ground, into a wall, someone's home or car, or into a person. But that bullet isn't going to stop until it hits something, or somebody.
I had a Turkish classmate in my speech class. One of her speeches was about how she had gone home to Turkey. She sat down one morning for breakfast with her grandparent on the balcony. A few moments later, in the middle of breakfast, the grandparent suddenly collapsed on the table, and was dead within moments. A bullet had pierced her brain because a young person (can't remember if a child or teen) was playing with a pistol a couple blocks over, firing shots up in the air. She said they never heard the shots fired due to the traffic. It was pure chance, but that kinda crap can happen, and people really need to understand that.
Anyway, I'd like to see the amount of gun violence cleaned up for sure. I just don't know how they could possibly go about pulling that off anytime soon.
Jun 08, 2011 12:24 am I'm not anti-second amendment necessarily (yet), but I definitely believe that some people shouldn't own guns. As of today, I don't think the American government needs to regulate those of us who do have them, but in an ideal world...I can confidently say that gang banging crank junkies should not be able to shoot my friends.
I'm with you though on the gun violence in Japan. I imagine a lot of our gun violence stems from our individualist ideals...so it's definitely something engrained enough in our culture that I'm not comfortable saying things should be one way or another (gun control). I do think that when the constitution was drafted a bunch of angry Americans with guns could start an uprising that would cause real change in the government. Perhaps not true today, but thankfully it's never happened so I don't really know.
This does have me thinking though. I might end up leaning left on this issue eventually.
Jun 08, 2011 05:11 am Really sorry to hear about ur friend, thats absolutely senseless. Is he ok?
Since the discussion has started, I think in cases like ur friends, its ultimately not about gun control or gun culture or anything. Its about irresponsible a-holes being irresponsible a-holes. If ur gonna disregard the well being of others, ull do it with a gun in ur hand or not.
Id like to believe ppl who have proper gun licenses and went through that process respect wat guns are and can do and ppl like the one who shot ur friend r most likely not legal gun owners to begin with.
So if i were pressed for an opinion on this? Dont persecute gun laws and culture, pesecute the a-hole to the full extent for being just that.
Jun 08, 2011 05:41 am really need to put a stop to certain people breeding.
in all honesty, and its the same here in Aus, there's "alot" that should have more than wavered their rights to have and/or raise kids, by their record alone.
They fit in a category, discrimination or not, you have to live with with it, and miss out on things because of it, in more ways than one.
They'll have to do something one day. Thats without a doubt.
And yer right crux,
No one going to do bad stuff with a gun is gonna register it are they? hahaha.
Jun 08, 2011 06:59 am I wasn't going to chime in, but I will now since J-bot called me out :-)
I do have big opinions, but I also agree with sensible control. The main problem is that gubment passes stupid laws written by people that don't know anything about guns. Things like banning "assault rifles"...ummmmm, how does one define an assault rifle? Oh, it's one with a foldable stock...what? Idiots.
I am also a firm advocate of legislating against PEOPLE, not against STUFF. A gun all by itself laying on the table never killed anyone without some dumba$$ behind it pulling the trigger.
I do believe gun ownership is a right of any citizen, the part that most folks forget about is that it also comes with heavy responsibility, and if one is proven to be unable to fulfill those responsibilities, they are also proven to unworthy of exercising such a right.
Taking away guns from EVERYONE is a baaaaaaaad idea. most totalitarian gubments start out by first disarming it's citizens.
I feel horrible for your friend, man, that sucks...sadly, it's stories like this that start the anti-gun crowd ranting. I am more of an "anti-stupid-&#^$&*@-person" crowd.
Jun 08, 2011 09:23 am Quote:
how does one define an assault rifle? Oh, it's one with a foldable stock...what? Idiots.
I keep this Journalist's Guide handy for just such an occasion --- I hope it helps and sheds some light on identifying the extra-dangerous assault weapons like AK47's and Glocks...
Jun 08, 2011 11:24 am Yep, agree on all that. Still anti-gun control for the time being. Haven't caught the guy yet. The police went to the house of the people who were the target of the attack and they said they were too busy to talk, and that they need to schedule a meeting. Something tells me this won't get resolved.
That firearm identification guide is awesome, hah!
Jun 08, 2011 11:27 am This is just a curiosity because I don't typically research gun control issues at all, but if people should have the right to have a handgun, should they also have the right to use the handgun? When is that appropriate, and how should the authorities handle injuries and death as a result of the shooting?
Jun 08, 2011 11:33 am There is no shortage of laws to determine what is and is not appropriate action in terms of self defense and home defense, which vary from state to state...some are pretty loose, in some states if someone won't get out of your property and are threatening you, you can shoot them, in other states they have to be beyond the threshold of your home, in some states it matters if they are shot in the front or the back, with the theory being a shot in the back means they were fleeing...
It's a sketchy issue...I like guns, I like shooting ranges and hunting...but if somebody is threatening my family, I'll defend me and mine, by what means necessary to end the threat, and deal with the fallout later...
Jun 08, 2011 01:41 pm Got it. Makes sense that if someone accepts the responsibility of a handgun they should research local laws to learn how to use them legally to defend themselves. To me it seems like the shooting range as a defense for handgun ownership is kind of a farce. You're really practicing so you can defend yourself or practicing to hunt (Hunt what? Womprats back on Tatooine I guess), and if you need to defend yourself...you've got to react to the situation and accept consequences later. Sounds to me like complete de-regulation, or complete regulation are the only government answers that aren't ambiguous as to what these guns are really for. Since guns are legal, it seems like de-regulation is the only answer in the US. If the person you're defending your home against is someone without money, aspirations, or connections, you can defend your home and assume that his or her public defender won't go the extra mile to find those "gotcha" laws. But what if it were your daughters crazed jealous ex-boyfriend with a rich politically connected family? Then it's your lawyer against his. Granted that's an extreme case, but wouldn't you hate to be in that situation? Seems probable that it's happened before, if not very often. A jury and the opportunity to seek an appeals court seems the most fair way to handle that situation. Common law or weird "which direction was he facing" laws could really bite you in the *** on that one. That's another thing I'm not sold on...common law. Not sure I like that stuff. It's like...lawyer fuel.
I don't go bowling either, so if bowling balls were more dangerous I wouldn't be a fair judge of what to do with the eminent bowling ball problem either, hah.
Edit: After a brief source check, it has come to my attention that the T16 Luke blasted womp rats with was actually a ship and not a handgun. Even on Tatooine, handguns are for shooting people...lol
Jun 08, 2011 01:52 pm I don't find it a farce, guns are a hobby, people collect them, shoot them, pack their own bullets, trying to find that magic pack, people go to ranges that are involved in clay pigeon shooting clubs and marksman tournaments...there are lots of perfectly acceptable reasons to go to the range.
My oldest turns 13 in a few days...a few weeks back my dad and I took her to a pistol range with a couple small guns, as an educational experience, she got a chance to feel what they are like, experience the kick, get a crash course in gun safety, how you use and don't use them...just like my dad taught me when I was that age.
People that are not into gun shooting or hunting easily right it off as redneck or unnecessary or lame excuses. Some of us were raised with gun, raised hunting and eating wild game and have great memories of childhood out in the woods with dad stalking deer, bird, rabbit and more...it's family tradition, it's recreational and it's taught from generation to generation with stern warnings of the responsibility that comes with gun handling and the back of a hand to your head if you don't follow the rules.
Jun 08, 2011 02:00 pm Ironically, I am wearing my NRA shirt today at work.
"America's First Homeland Security"
Jun 08, 2011 02:14 pm Like I said, I expect my bias as a non-gun user to affect my opinion; just as I expect your NRA membership to affect yours. That said, I expect you to be more of an expert because you have likely spent a good bit of time researching gun laws and considering the responsibility of owning them. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to get to a logical point where I agree or disagree with you. I'm tired of not having an opinion on this issue.
Why is it hard to differentiate between a hand gun and a hunting gun? Are there enthusiasts who hunt wild game with handguns? Is that practice uncommon because it's not as rewarding or is it uncommon because it's illegal?
The real question I'm digging at is how to justify the manufacture and sale of a weapon if it is not legal to use outside of a shooting range.
Jun 08, 2011 02:44 pm not sure I understand the question...all gun are hunting guns, I know folks that hunt with handguns...
Jun 08, 2011 03:35 pm Nope, you understood the question. I had no idea that people hunt with handguns. I thought there were laws regarding what type of gun can be used for hunting wild game, but that assumption wasn't based on anything at all, other than the one time I went hunting.
Jun 08, 2011 03:37 pm Well, for one, people with one arm can use handguns...beyond that, the type of gun used is more often pertaining to the caliber of the bullet used, so it's big enough to kill the animal, rather than just wound it.
However, laws vary from place to place as do differing carry laws, or conceal and carry laws...
Jun 08, 2011 04:21 pm I see...my misunderstanding. Sounds like out gun laws are about where they should be then, more or less. Now to figure out how to stop people from acting a fool with firearms.
Jun 08, 2011 04:24 pm Yeah, that is kinda my take...we need to start regulating people, not "stuff". If people would start actually being punished for their actions and our society would quit trying to find reasons to not accept personal responsibility for anything, ever, maybe we'd have hope of a bright future, but until personal pride and personal responsibility are accepted as social norms, we're screwed.
Jun 09, 2011 04:08 am Man, Quincy, I'm sorry to hear that. That's some crazy, stupid, ****. I'm glad that it was not worse. I hope your friend doesn't have permanent knee issues from this. People...they're the worst.
Jun 09, 2011 07:07 am I hate arguing on this topic. I did a research paper on Concealed Carry in for a class last year and it kind of wore me out. I got more arguments from the class more than anything. I have a CCW (Michigan). It makes it easier to transport it back and forth from the range and just makes sense to me.
They shouldn't ban guns. They should just have stricter laws against the criminals, you know.. an eye for an eye.
That's just my opinion.
Jun 09, 2011 01:29 pm Hmmm... let me think for a minute on whether or not I inject a Canadian perspective.....
Jun 10, 2011 07:19 pm Perspective is always good...
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