Finale' al la Compressione'
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Posted on Dec 13, 2010 01:21 am
pipedreams
Marijuana Czar
Member Since: Oct 01, 2009
Hey I'm gettin sick of the plugin I use at the moment for the master tracks compression
anyone have a suggestion?
vst plz
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Dec 13, 2010 11:08 am You'll probably get a LOT more mileage if you tell us:
1) Which plug you're "sick of" at the moment --
2) Why specifically, are you unsatisfied with it --
3) How you're using it (as a simple slow leveler, as a fast transient grabber, as a soft limiter, just for flavor with no GR at all, etc., etc., etc.).
Dec 13, 2010 10:18 pm 1) Fruity Multiband Compressor, yes its from fl studio, i have a few other plugins from wave arts n stuff that dont seem to do it for me like this does, or did.
2) its been overused, not able to get the sound I want, and i'm sure there's better plugins around
3) limiter and compressor, (i dont understand the jargon in the brackets.)
Dec 14, 2010 01:11 am First off - Can the maul-the-band. MBC's are like putting a dirty band-aid on a broken leg most of the time.
Is there a regular compressor in FL?
Dec 14, 2010 06:07 am lol maul the band, i've seen that before on this site
yeah there is, i also have others but from a "how it sounds" point of view, i always put the mbc on the master.
normal compressors seemed to lack something for the master idk what
Dec 14, 2010 11:34 am I'd submit that if you "need" a MBC because of a "lack of something" that you should just fix the mix...
Dec 14, 2010 06:27 pm putting aside your patronising use of "______"
whats the beef with mbc's, i dont understand
fix the mix, care to elaborate on that a bit? i never said i needed a mbc, but obviously by preference i use mbc in comparison to the compressors i have, but like you said that could signify something else
if anyone else has a suggestion for a compressor or something of the sort as a final plugin, do jump in.. considering thats what i asked for in the first place.
thanks peeps
Quincysanhttp://www.unitedmusicians.infoContributor
Since: Nov 11, 2007
Dec 14, 2010 07:43 pm www.masseyplugins.com/plugins/l2007
The trial version is the same as the paid for version, except you can't save settings. I save screenshots of my settings and put them in a folder. I put a reference to the image path in my track comments section.
Ya know, John is someone you should probably pay a lot more attention to. Not to mention respect...
Dec 14, 2010 08:14 pm [quote]putting aside your patronising use of "______"
whats the beef with mbc's, i dont understand
fix the mix, care to elaborate on that a bit? i never said i needed a mbc, but obviously by preference i use mbc in comparison to the compressors i have, but like you said that could signify something else[/quote]
I'm not trying to be patronizing..
I'm just saying that if the mix is asking for MBC, there's probably something that needs to be fixed in the mix. If you throw a MBC across the mix buss and it actually sounds better, then find out what was wrong and fix it in the mix (and then it'll sound SOOO much better).
I really don't have a 'beef' with MBC's particularly. It's a tool, just like anything else. But it's a tool with rather rare and specific uses - Usually reserved for mixes that are pretty [SELF-CENSORED]'ed up when I can't get a remix.
Save the fact that a lot of developers market them as some sort of "mastering" processor (when actually it's a very rare occurrence that MBC is used in the mastering process). I suppose if I had an issue with MBC, that'd be it. They are certainly wonderful at mauling-the-band (hence the popular moniker). But I digress....
To actually use one as a default of sorts is ----- I can't even wrap my head around why anyone would do that. It certainly doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't be satisfied with it...
Anyway - Back to the point --- What you use across the 2-buss is really up to whatever you feel you need on the 2-buss. Typically, I'd recommend nothing. If you're looking for a dB or two of (okay, this is the part where you really need to learn the 'jargon' -- It's pretty basic jargon if you're working with a compressor) 'glue' or something more grabby -- I dunno - Maybe try Voxengo's Elephant. Do you UAD? The 33609 is absolutely wonderful for glue, there are a couple opto options that are nice for parallel and M/S parallel work, I think Magix made the AM-Suite available as a VST set...
There are so few compressor plugs (or compressors, for that matter) that are really "2-buss material" that it's really a "what are you looking for" thing. Are you actually trying to reduce the dynamic range? Limit it entirely? Gel things together a bit (should you be doing that to individual busses instead?) -- Need more info.
Dec 14, 2010 08:17 pm use maximus. I wish i could use maximus in other programs. Maximus is very versatile and flexible and sounds great.
J-botByte-MixerMember
Since: Dec 04, 2007
Dec 15, 2010 01:33 am I would suggest, removing the MBC, and listen to the individual tracks as well as the music as a whole.
What -exactly- about the track isn't where you want it? Is it problems with individual instruments? EQ-ing? Too bassy, boomy, squawky, shrill, or nasally sounding? Certain tracks sound too loud, or maybe the mix as a whole? Do the instruments not mesh well together?
I think if we heard a snippet of the mix without the MBC, along with the what you think sounds wrong with it, we can help a lot more. The more info we have to work with, the more we can help to get you pointed in the direction you want to go to get the sound you want.
So....what's wrong with the mix? :)
As for software, I don't know any MBC type stuff off the top of my head that isn't payware. For general compression utilities and stuff you'd use on individual tracks. you can look at Kjaerhus' Classic series:
www.kvraudio.com/get.php?...&q=kjaerhus
The compressor there is not an MBC, just a generic compressor, but it's pretty straightforward. I'm also a fan of Bootsy's plugins. (Variety of Sound) www.kvraudio.com/get.php?...st=d&c=1104
And, for a limiter, take a look at invisible limiter:
www.kvraudio.com/get/4616.html
I've started using it lately, and I like it quite a bit. At least, it appears to get the job done. The Classic series also has a generic master/brick-wall limiter included which works pretty well. All freebies, and I like em a lot better than the tools built into FL Studio. (I use FL Studio as well, just the fruity edition though, so mostly midi/composition work. If I'm recording audio, I'll use Reaper)
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Dec 15, 2010 12:27 pm Reaper has some nice VST plugs for free, that will work in whatever supports VST architecture:
www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/
There's ReaComp ( nice compressor ) and ReaXComp (multi-band compressor). I've used this a few times, and have really liked the result.
I think MM's comment about 'fix in the mix' is to go back and fix the individual tracks that may have problems in them. These problems might be made better by fixing them in the 'pre-mastering' phase, but don't really help the overall problem (tracks that need fixing).
So if you have access to the tracks, and can see something improving when using a MBC, then re-tweak the tracks to make it better, instead of fixing with a MBC.
And, as MM stated, Voxengo Elephant is liked by many (i've not used it). Actually, many people use much of the Voxengo line, to good result. I haven't dabbled with them, but hear good things.
Dec 15, 2010 11:30 pm haha I understand what dB is...
i didnt understand "simple slow leveler, as a fast transient grabber, as a soft limiter, just for flavor with no GR at all,"
anyway yeah I guess I'm loooking for glue as you say, I understand that you have to get **** right beforehand, I'm doin the best I can with the limited gear and skills i have haha
Voxengo Elephant, I'll check that out, but in saying that I am gonna go back and practise mixing, experiment with eq n ****.
Thanks for the help mangz
"Ya know, John is someone you should probably pay a lot more attention to. Not to mention respect..."
Lol, I appreciate his input, and respect the fact that he has a good idea of what he's talking about. And over the last year or so I've gotten some good info from MM.
But I don't see why I should respect him as a person? :S I don't know him.
No offense dude (john)
Quincysanhttp://www.unitedmusicians.infoContributor
Since: Nov 11, 2007
Dec 16, 2010 03:33 pm hmm...reap what you sow I guess.
