Time to critique a 22 Track, 6 Vocal harmony song?

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Pretty lofty first shot at quality multitrack recording but its all for the sake of learning...

The snare sound in this is pretty hollow and open sounding, but I think it complements the mix decently. Sorta 311'y I think.

Anyway, what do you think? Anything stand out? This is mixed with automation so let me know if something fades poorly etc.

Thanks in advance!

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Jan 20, 2010 03:52 pm

Forgive me Father for I have bumped.

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Jan 20, 2010 04:21 pm

Wow, I really like this song!

The kick has a lot of punch which I really like, but I think it is bit loud compared to the rest of the tracks. I think the vocals are kind of playing the background and I'd like to hear them more pronounced. The snare is pretty hollow sounding, but sounds good. However, it is kind of like the kick a little over accentuated compared to the rest of the mix. I think a couple tweaks here and there, and this will sound real good.

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Jan 20, 2010 04:48 pm

Thanks!

Yeah the kick could down a bit on this mix. I'm having a hard time finding where the vocals need to be. Everyone else wants the vocals to stay about where they're at level-wise; but putting more of the main vox into the verb.

Is anyone detecting muddiness from the way the guitars are working together? There's three guitar tracks going on throughout the song for the most part. For your reference: one's direct in with a delay (the one playing the hook during the chorus); one's through a Vox amp and sounds very much like a vox amp, the other guitar track is mostly finger picked electric guitar through my old tube amp and tends to come into focus when everything else cuts out.

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Jan 26, 2010 12:37 pm

Listening at work...

Kick is crazy loud :) Vocals indeed need to be more upfront. I like the composition, the vox remind me of floyd at times the way they are kinda creepy. Great song really, just needs some fine tuning.

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Jan 27, 2010 01:54 am

I pretty much go along with what has been said concering the mix. I really don't think the lead vocal needs more verb, it's really not the style these days. Just get them a bit more upfront. The harmony vocals seem about the right level to me. I think it would sound cool to put a bit longer delay (in tempo) on the guitar to get the repeats to be a bit more distinct and building on each other, and then lower the guitar volume slightly, bring the other guitars up a bit or eq them to bring them out more.

It's a really good song, as CptTripps said, just need a bit of fine tuning. :)

Dan

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Jan 27, 2010 01:19 pm

Thanks for the feedback! I'm re-working a lot of the vocals right now; the harmonies are sounding a lot more 'as one' after playing with reverbs. When I've adjusted for everything I can think of I'll post the final version.

I got the vocals to mesh a lot better by using two aux inserts for reverb instead of one. All the instrumentation is bussed to a room verb aux insert; but I've bussed all the vocal tracks out to a seperate aux insert with plate reverb. I'm using low diffusion on the plate verb and that seems to make the harmonies sound bigger and integrated rather than competing for the same space.

I'm still figuring out what I want to do with the guitars during the chorus...I agree that something needs to change, not sure what though.

Any chance I could get you to expand on what I might do to EQ the guitars to fill each other out in the mix during the chorus?

I think the guitar with delay needs to stay at the front but I also feel like the other two guitars are getting kind of lost with all that's going on during the chorus.

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Mar 01, 2010 01:15 pm

Ok! After a series of traveling for work I finally got a chance to fix this mix and re-record some parts I didn't like so much.

I REALLY like what the plate reverb did for all the vocal tracks. If you guys haven't tried it, I highly recommend a plate reverb with a low diffusion setting and plenty of high cut (-16 dB at 2kH) to get the sibilance out of the tank.

I'm pretty happy with this mix, but if something sounds awfully out of place please let me know.

Thanks again for all the suggestions leading up to this :)

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