line 6 pod farm presets?

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I just got me some pod farm software.
ive made some cool amp presets, but for some reason when i go to a new song and choose this new preset it doesnt sound the same.
ive been back and gone over the thing again and re saved the preset and also checked anything in the cubase project that might be different to the new one, but there's actually nothing on any of them as far as settings and eq etc goes that is different.

i cant work it out.
the preset in the project i saved it in originally sounds great, but then when i select it in the newy, it sounds weak and the gain seems to be a lot less.


anything i have maybe missed?

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Since: Sep 30, 2009

Nov 20, 2009 09:05 am

Hmm. You mean you'll load the present, and the amp settings/ effects are all completely the same, but it still sounds weak? Thats... odd. :\ i have no idea.

Is it a dual tone? maybe check your amp settings and see how it sounds with one of the dual tones muted. If it sounds similar, there's your problem. Idk how to fix that problem if thats what it is haha, but its a start at least.

Also, maybe something is screwy with it being a send fx channel or something. Try it with insert effects. I can't think of a logical reason why that would help, but might as well try everything.

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Nov 20, 2009 08:47 pm

tried all that, im hoping when i load back up itll be fixed.

there is no reason it should be doing this, unless its because i dont have the updated version.

Czar of Midi
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Nov 21, 2009 12:42 am

Ya, I've not seen that happen at all.

Your loading it in Cubase a a VST I assume then?

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Nov 21, 2009 06:32 am

yeah, i think i have it sorted out now, i thought i had it worked out as to why it was happening, but now i look at it, well it shouldve been fine.

maybe a glitch?

one question though, im still going in thru a mono "in" with the guitar onto a mono track? and then...hold on just one minute.

am i meant to just "insert" pod on a track ? or am i supposed to open it up as a vst instrument?

Oh man, im going mad here now. it is a vst though yeah? so why do i have it as an insert in my track?
ive been playing my guitar thru my pre, into a mono in, and stereo out onto my track.

then picking pod as an insert on that track.

am i stupid? please advise....on the setup, not the stupid bit. i pretty much worked that out years ago.


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Nov 21, 2009 09:27 am

Haha you're not stupid deon.

But yeah, i've been going stereo (And trying to decide with layering what sounds better, 2 dual amp tones already panned l&r or 2 single layer tones at center, and pan them in cubase).

And i've been using pod farm as an insert, not an instrument. I know it seems like an instrument; but idk. Instrument tracks are basically a midi track and a vst in one. Pod farm isn't midi, its just a real time effects processor. So you add it just like you add reverb.

Hope i explained that clearly (and i hope i'm not wrong!)

Czar of Midi
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Nov 21, 2009 02:28 pm

Yep, its not an instrument. Just use it like a regular pluggin and you'll be good.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Nov 21, 2009 03:30 pm

I have tried both and honestly both work in different situations.

I have...

Reocrded dual tones in stereo with the tones panned hard L/R in podfarm. I then did the same thing on a different pickup and left panning alone inside my daw. Big and wide.

Reocrded dual tones as mono with both centered in podfarm, switched pickups and recorded a 2nd take. And then panned in my DAW. Plenty big but did not seem as wide.

But yeah, if panning in podfarm for the most part I leave it alone in my DAW.

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Nov 21, 2009 08:56 pm

ok so, firstly that question about the vst instrument was a tad stupid, so i figured that out, thank *****. otherwise ther'd be no hope for me, ha ha ha, thanks for the vote of confidence though Fragile.

So ive been recording a dual tone in mono and then panning it 80Left and then doing another @ 80 right.

panning the dual to one side in mono is cool then? it sounds ok.
so youre actually recording a dual, but because its inside the box it can come out as mono and both can be panned anywhere in the daw together as one?

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Nov 21, 2009 09:40 pm

Hmm. I don't see why you couldn't do that, but i think (emphasis on think) that with the way i had it set up, its technically a stereo track. But i don't quite get how that works when you pan a stereo track. Hmm. If you...and then...yeah. okay i'm confused so i'm gonna shut up haha. CptTripps or Noize can probably visualize this better than i can.

Speaking of variance in tone though, can anyone really get into the nitty gritty explaining what panning different tones does in a track?

I understand the dual tracking (the more takes, the thicker it becomes. The less takes, the more defined). But panning still has me a tad baffled.

Say you have one tone heavy on the bass side, hardly any clarity. The other is crisp but has no depth. What do you achieve by panning them to opposite sides as opposed to keeping both center?

More than anything, I'm just hoping for an explanation that can tell me what to listen for so i can better decide what the track needs.

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Nov 21, 2009 11:00 pm

if yer going for a fat and dull and a clean and thin sound as a dual then i would be panning them ontop of each other.

the panning thing is for making rooom for other things like drums bass and vocals.

drums in the middle, bass in the middle vocals in the middle, guitars off to the left and right, say

2 @80 left and right and maybe another 2 @ 30 left and right.

it keeps them out of the way of drums bass and vocals so they dont get smothered.

this is what panning is for, nothing is set in stone, but the object is is to keep everything from getting cluttered.

keeping guitars centre will clkutter things up for sure.
but also seperating them gives them whole thing a sense of space and clarity in their own right.



so ok then, track wise does anyone know, does it have to be a stereo track or mono when using pod farm?


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Nov 21, 2009 11:23 pm

Ah! Makes sense now. Silly me, when experimenting with the panning i've been keeping the guitar tracks on solo. No wonder i couldn't understand the point. Thanks.

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Nov 22, 2009 07:59 am

ok been messing around with it, got some awesome tones so far,
im still at aloss as to what sort of track to put this on, stereo or mono?

Ive got a dual tone going but going straight onto a mono track as one, so far.

obviously it makes sense to go one tone each onto 2 seperate mono tracks, but i dont have that option.

I guess the question is will it matter tone wise?


if you see this Capn tripps can you explain how you can split the two signals in pod farm?
Ive tried but its not splitting, they either go one side or the other. should i be using a stereo track to do this?

Czar of Midi
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Nov 22, 2009 03:52 pm

I'll be back after some errands and try to explain what the panning does and how the split tones can work for the good or the bad in PodFarm.

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Nov 22, 2009 07:57 pm

sweet, sounds good.

Czar of Midi
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Nov 22, 2009 08:08 pm

Using the dual tone in PodFarm you can pan each amp rig as you like from left to right. but if your using any stereo type effects just remember they will not have that same effect once you pan them hard to one side. If I'm using PodFarm I will usually just record a straight up dry track and then apply the PodFarm to that track to start messing about with different effects and such.

But as far as panning mono guitar tracks for a thicker sound. That is the best way to do it. To get some thicker individual sounding coverage of the whole area from left to right.

If your going to be doing one dull or muddy low sounding guitar and one brite sounding guitar I don't recommend panning them hard to the right or left as it will just give a dull image left and a tiny image right. Try to not pan something like that more then 25 or 30% out and it should give a good sound. Not thick, just good. Then add a couple other distinct tracks of guitar to get it a bit heavier.

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Nov 22, 2009 08:48 pm

cool ok, so mono it is. mine are sounding good but i cant pan mine from pod itself. i cant split them.

i wanted to try splitting them and then doing another track of the same and splitting them, so the dull and the tinny marry up again but they are different takes to marry up to.

Czar of Midi
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Nov 22, 2009 09:40 pm

EAch amp set up for the dual tone should have its own volume and pan knob just on the upper right of its portion of the screen. Kind of black like the background they are in.

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Nov 22, 2009 10:24 pm

mmm, i see that, i will give it another look but im pretty sure it wasnt panning.

either way, my guitars are sounding better than i could ever have hoped to do myself with an amp.

the main thing i see with miking up is, the time factor, the messing around recording, changing the settings, over and over again, and the big main thing for me is my room.
untreated, noisy, bouncy, and just a downright pain in the crackola.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Nov 22, 2009 11:59 pm

I don't technically split them. If I record mono I let them stack as a single tone while both centered and pan afterwards.

In stereo they I pan in podfarm and have no control over the tones seperately after tracking.

The only way I can split a dual amp setup into two mono files is using gearbox.

Honestly though, I don't do much after they are tracked except send them to a buss and a little eq.

If I feel I will need more control I will simply track a single tone and a DI track and apply the plugin.


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Nov 23, 2009 02:35 am

my pan in pod dont work, but now i think of it, its only gonna split if its a stereo track eh?

either way though, i tend to agree with you Cap'n, just keep them ontop of each other, keeps it tighter than splitting them them and doing another dual and then splitting them to opposite sides. if you get my jibber.


Czar of Turd Polish
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Nov 23, 2009 12:26 pm

I do I do, on a dual setup I am usually going for what you mentioned, two tones that compliment each other and stacked = big sound.

On the little hungarian riff I did two stereo takes on different pickups but did nothing afterwards in my daw. Basically two takes with 4 guitar tones all panned wide yet two sitting on top of each other per side.

First time I'd ever done that, works well on the cleans perhaps.

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Nov 23, 2009 08:33 pm

Just goes to show, even after years and years of recording. There's always more beauty that can come from experimentation. :] Especially when you're getting to do that experimentation on a new hollow body hehe.

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Nov 25, 2009 09:45 am

So just to clarify, with Pod Farm,

1. im setting up a mono connection for my guitar.

2. im recording my track, with pod as an insert, set to dual tone, onto a mono track.

3. im panning that dual tone in my DAW, which is technically a stereo effect, to say left 80.


and this is the correct way to do this?

Im panning in my DAW because it wont pan in Pod.




Czar of Turd Polish
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Nov 25, 2009 12:38 pm

If pod panning was not an option that is how I would do it.

Czar of Midi
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Nov 25, 2009 02:41 pm

Yep, that should work fine. Although as I stated, if there are effects on the patch that are set up for stereo you might want to make sure your end track is set up to record it in stereo from PodFarm.

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Nov 25, 2009 02:51 pm

Hmm. Your pan in pod doesn't work? thats... odd. Ah well, panning in your DAW works just fine.

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Nov 25, 2009 09:47 pm

cool ok, for some reason the whole routing thing was messing with my head. you know the dual on a mono track thing.

and yeah, the panner in Pod is an option Cap'n, as far as options go, but it just doesnt work. maybe Cubase 4 panning takes over.

i might try it in Garage Band and see what happens.

cheers Blokes.

Czar of Midi
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Nov 25, 2009 10:40 pm

I wonder if the panning isn't working because your using it a a pluggin and setting it up mono. Try going to a stereo set up and I bet the panning will work then.

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Nov 26, 2009 03:37 am

tis what i was thinking, is that gona be cool as far as the way the guitars sound ya think?


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Nov 26, 2009 07:26 am

I'm not sure honestly which panning is going to sound the best. But might as well set up a stereo track and experiment just in case you know? Its kind of a confusing concept to decide whats best.

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Nov 26, 2009 07:52 am

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Czar of Midi
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Nov 26, 2009 10:34 pm

Yep, its all on you to decide which one is best sounding for what you need.

And Deon, I sent you a request on Skype.

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Nov 27, 2009 01:35 am

oh ok,

i had a look on skype for the request thingy but couldnt find it.

Czar of Turd Polish
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Nov 27, 2009 01:27 pm

So wait, you don't use the podfarm standalone application at all?

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Nov 27, 2009 08:02 pm

na, i use it as a plug in. inserted on a track

Czar of Midi
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Nov 28, 2009 01:11 am

I'll send another tomorrow. got it shut down for the night.

Czar of Midi
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Nov 28, 2009 01:24 am

Ya, he doesn't have a Line 6 interface. He's only using it a a pluggin.

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