Simple question with a very complicated answer apparently
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Posted on Oct 18, 2009 01:12 pm
raahil.k
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So, here goes :
i have a midi controller with volume sliders.
what i want to do is, control the volume of a track with those sliders through midi (CC).
what i cant do is control the volume of those sliders though midi..
yes yes, i'm using nuendo..
Any solution guys..... m going nuts on this...
Thanks!!
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Oct 19, 2009 03:20 am Seeing as I don't think anyone can even take a guess with the information provided, we have to ask the usual questions -
1) Did you read the manuals - BOTH manuals (the controller and more obviously, Nuendo)?
1a) Customer service (both vendors) perhaps...?
2) Is your MIDI interface showing up properly? Is everything working but it's not 'doing anything?'
3) Is everything actually connected properly?
raahil.kffsdfasdfadsMember
Since: Oct 05, 2009
Oct 19, 2009 04:18 am what i mean when i say this is, forget what midi controller i have, if nuendo is getting a midi input which is visible on its track and it seems to be doing "something" whenever i change an attribute on the controller, there must be a way i can get THAT particular control (be it within nuendo) to control like the volume of a track... My hardware has nothing to do with this...
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Oct 19, 2009 04:39 am I think Raahil means assigning functions, which sorry i dont know how to do, but hopefully if my little comments helps to clear it up enough for others to chime in
raahil.kffsdfasdfadsMember
Since: Oct 05, 2009
Oct 19, 2009 06:12 am thank you crux.. i had no idea thats what it was called
Oct 19, 2009 11:26 am Well, sure - you need to assign functions (which will be explained in the manuals for the software and hardware).
raahil.kffsdfasdfadsMember
Since: Oct 05, 2009
Oct 19, 2009 12:00 pm dammit!! i've looked through the entire nuendo manual.. i cant find ANY WAY of assigning functions.. i've been looking for this for a long time.. m sure i would have gotten a clue had it been there... Is there no way to do this in nuendo??
raahil.kffsdfasdfadsMember
Since: Oct 05, 2009
Oct 19, 2009 12:19 pm
Reading this, thisis exactly what i want to achieve in nuendo
QUOTED FROM ANOTHER USER ON ANOTHER SITE
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In Logic 7.2 I'm just beginning to use a couple of 3rd party soft-synths (I used to only use hardware synths). As I cannot stand writing music with just a mouse & QWERTY keyboard, I purchased a BCR2000 (controller with a set of 32 MIDI rotary knobs) with which to tweak/record/automate the parameters of softsynths in realtime - as I would a real hardware synth. I've been able to assign CC numbers to various 3rd party softsynths (via their dedicated "MIDI Learn" functions) and am able to record the tweaking automation of multiple parameters in realtime. Great so far...
My question is, how can I edit (fine tune) my recorded parameter tweaks in the as TBA (Track Based Automation) in the arrange window (not using the convoluted hyper edit)?
For example,
1. I created a bass track and have done some cuts, copies and pastes of various of its regions. So in other words, the bass is not 1 contiguous region (lots of color-coded, chopped up regions).
2. I've assigned CC#107 to the filter cutoff of a the softsynth I'm using for the bass.
3. Now I'd like to edit the tweaks that I recorded with my MIDI controller. The problem is, all of that information is embedded into the MIDI regions as RBA (Region Based Automation)! The only way to access it is via Hyperedit (where I've got to decipher the CC numbers for each parameter I've tweaked, select them in Hyperedit>View>Other>CC# ). If I try using the "Move Region Control Data To track Automation", it doesn't seem to do anything - I assume this is because Logic just sees it as MIDI information, not controller data.
BTW - I've also tried using Logic's "Controller Assignments" window to convert incoming MIDI into automation parameters. It works......kind of. If more than 2 or 3 plugin parameters are automated using this method, Logic begins to choke on the amount of controller data it is receiving, resulting in glitches and freezes. Additionally, it renders my MIDI controller as useless for controlling/programming my hardware synths, since incoming MIDI is filtered and converted into controller data before it hits the sequencer engine.
My system:
Mac Pro 2.66 Quad with 3 GB RAM
4 internal Seagate SATA 7,200 RPM drives
RME Fireface 800
Unitor 8 MKII (two of them)
Mackie Control Universal
Seems like a simple task, but I can't figure it out. If any real Logic gurus out there that can help with this one, I'd appreciate it!
-T
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"I've assigned CC#107 to the filter cutoff of a the softsynth"
i want to assign CC#107 to the volume control of a track so when i play with my midi to change volume while playing, the automation gets saved with the volume tweaks that i have done....
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 20, 2009 10:36 pm OK, so are you using Logic or Nuendo? You've stated that you want to do it in Nuendo earlier and now you are stating you want to do it in Logic.
Here is some simple reading to explain exactly what CC numbers are assigned to what.
In the software you need to invoke the learn command or whatever it might be called in each different bit of software. That is normally a right click on the knob or slider of the synth you want to control the parameter of. Or if it is the volume level of the track itself then click on it. You should have a menu that comes up. Then simply use the learn button and slide the knob or fader on your controller and it will now be assigned to that function.
And just so you understand something here. It IS important for us to know exactly what software, what hardware controller and so on on that you are using. Because there are many different alternatives to how each different piece uses the contorller function's.
raahil.kffsdfasdfadsMember
Since: Oct 05, 2009
Oct 22, 2009 01:43 pm ok, i'm using nuendo..
let me give u an example...
when i use a plugin like waves guitar amp stereo, there IS a learn command in the rigth click menu,
however, i see no such option anywhere around the volume of an audio track.
basically, it comes down to this,
on guitar amp stereo, i need to make a MIDI track, and have it outputted to the vst plugin... and then the learn function works and it knows what i'm doing....
but where an individual track is concerned, theres no way that i can find to output some midi to a parameter of that track unless its in a plugin... also, not all plugins let me do this... on the output of a midi track, only selected plugins show...
when they do, the setup works wonders... but unfortunately, its not what i wanted...
now, what my question earlier was that is it possible to make a similar setup to control track automation in nuendo... i dont care how.. through a midi track or through whatever..
i'm sorry, i'm just quite new to the technicalities of audio editing..
will try to be more precise inthe future..
and noize2u, thanks a lot, i see u have been replying to a lot of my posts... and its helpd me quite a lot as well...
cheers!!!
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Oct 22, 2009 02:50 pm When you want to control parameters of a track with automation, you'll have to use an automation track.
I'm not familiar with Nuendo, but I have used a few versions of Cubase and they have all handled it in a similar fashion. If you open the inspector for your track, there should be a way to expand the automation track as well (it'll be in the manual at very least). In the automation track, you can select which parameter of the track you wish to automate (volume, panning, etc.). Then you use the "read" and "write" buttons on the track to record and perform automated functions, respectively.
So you'd press the "write" button, play your track, play with the sliders and make them do whatever it is you want them to do during playback (basically a performance on the sliders). Then turn off the "write" button and turn on the "read" button. Now when you play back, it should perform every adjustment you made while the "write" button was depressed.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 24, 2009 09:08 pm Wow, I guess now I know why I use Sonar and won't ever switch. My automation is recorded right onto each track I want to automate, nothing separate, nothing to arm. Simply right click on the parameter I want to automate and its all good. Then hit the record automation button for the whole thing and away I go.
I'm not familiar with Nuendo either, but it should be nearly as simple as Tadpui and I have described.
I'm simply wondering if your controller is not being seen by Nuendo because of the fact Nuendo is a bit of a proprietary mess like PT oand Logic and won't allow anything but certain brands or parties access to their controller scheme.
Oct 24, 2009 09:51 pm call me lazy, or call me too picky...i have a usb midi keyboard with sliders, and i never use them to ride faders....i much prefer to draw my automation in with the mouse then try to ride faders at mixdown. the level of control is much more precise and consistent.
now when it comes to filters n such, i'm a knob turner for sure....but i have yet to use or need for my 9 faders on my controller.
raahil.kffsdfasdfadsMember
Since: Oct 05, 2009
Oct 25, 2009 06:27 am hmmm.. alright then.. i shall do it manually.... and i'll give sonar a shot as well.... :)
thanks guys!!
