Jul 03, 2009 10:21 pm I'll assume its the one in yer profile, billy.
I'll get at it tomorrow afternoon sometime before they start blowing things up around here again.
Need urgent help clearing out the mud
Posted on Jul 03, 2009 10:16 pm
crux
Typo Szar
Member Since: Jul 04, 2002
Hey guys, i need to release this track really soon but i'm still having a big problem with it being muddy. On my monitoring system it sounds fine and cutting the low mids and such just makes it seem thin, boosting the highs make it seem shrill but when i burn it and listen to it in my car and some other systems sometimes ill hear alot of mud. Even in systems where its not muddy its not as clear in the high end as other commercial. I really just cant find where the mud is to neutralize it. Also because of these pesky frequencies i thnk its stopping me from getting the last few dB of volume that i want, im not squishing my track but i think that those rogue frequencies r making me have to drive it harder than i need to bring out the stuff i need.
pls lend me ur ears and monitors in hunting down the mud
much appreciated
the track is in my music titled Billy
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Jul 03, 2009 10:21 pm I'll assume its the one in yer profile, billy.
I'll get at it tomorrow afternoon sometime before they start blowing things up around here again.
Jul 03, 2009 10:33 pm Oh i totally forgot its Independence Day state side
Happy 4th of July yall
Jul 05, 2009 04:35 pm Hey crux. I had a couple listen's today. From what I am hearing here there seems to be a lot going on in the upper mid's during the heavier parts of the song. The multiple vocalist's, guitars and some of the snare and cymbals sounds are all coming together pretty heavy and sound like that is causing the issue.
I know an mp3 probably isn't the best to judge by but its pretty definite clashing in the mid and upper mid area.
Jul 05, 2009 11:14 pm Thanx a ton for takin time out of ur July 4th weekend
cool, do u think i could eq it out at the mastering stage or would i be better for me to go back into the mix and space htem out better? I also seem to be getting some mud in the lower region, did u notice anything there?
others r also welcome to comment, i really need to get this one in top form very soon
thanx
Jul 05, 2009 11:29 pm I would really try to get the tracks set while still in the mixing stage to be honest. It is hard to clear all that up during mastering.
Jul 06, 2009 12:09 am i so wanna make jokes about all this talk of mud, but i wont, im mature.
Jul 06, 2009 01:41 am Im not, lettarip haha
Noize thanx again, im wondering how im gonna pull this off as in all honesty i didnt hear any clashing on the higher mids, i fear my monitor set up may not be permitting to do so. and i havent heard that problem on other systems ive used, but maybe ive been too focused on the low end. i will try again anyway
Jul 06, 2009 04:27 pm Odd indeed, as I didn't hear anything really out or clashing on the low end here. I'll give it another go or two, maybe in headphones as well to check it out further.
Jul 06, 2009 05:22 pm Yeah, I gave it a quick listen, and I'll hit it again on my cans, but in the monitors, I think I'm hearing the same thing Noize is. Now, my tannoys tend to be a bit bright in the high end, but to me it sounds like everything is too upper-middy, and it's somewhat fatiguing to listen to. It's like the upper end of the vocalist was brought out to cut through the mix, but it was overdone and you can't hear the rest of the vocal quality, so you're not hearing pieces of information that help you understand the lyrics.
The guitars and drums are a smidge bright, but I think the vocal quality may be the "crux" of the issue. If you can get the vocals cleared up then I think the rest will fall into place. You may need to make some room EQ-wise and space-wise for it all to fit, but I'd say the vocals are the most effected. At least that's what i'm hearing in my setup.
As for the bass, if anything, to me it sounds a smidge shy, but that might be an illusion due to the above-mentioned issues.
EDIT: Quick update after listening to it on the headphones (using ATH-M40fs here) The bass sounds good to me on the headphones, and well defined, but again on the upper mids, I think it's kinda like they're all fighting for the same space, mostly the guitars and vocals. So yeah, a bit of spacing and EQ work should help, and maybe set the guitars back in the mix a little further would help. Anyways, that's what I'm getting. Hope it helps!
-J
Jul 06, 2009 08:25 pm OK, I'm wondering now after messing with it in phones and on the monitor's if indeed you are playing it back on some systems that might be cutting the mids out and extending the low end.
In the phones I could pick up a little bit of low end ring somewhere around the 80 to 130Hz area. Not sure that was exactly it, but pretty close. could be the bass guitar doing that. Maybe compress the living crap out of the bass track to eliminate the ring and create a bit more punch.
I tried a simple sweep on the overall track of the mids with about 3 or 4 dB of cut and it appears to clean up a tiny bit while sweeping between about 350 and 450Hz. Not that that is the fix though. You will have to hunt down were exactly the instruments are clashing and make adjustments that way.
Jul 07, 2009 01:14 am Wow thanx for the detailed response, thats wat i really wanted, actual frequencies that seem suspect.
Im using Yamaha HS50 but my room is far from tuned. I also have Beyerdynamic DT770 headphones and i test my mixes in my Chevorlet Aveo car, which always sounds a bit dry and dull with any CD so i always keep that in mind.
But the weird thing is in my car the bass end sounds very swollen, not as low as the 100's region but somewhere between 200-400 i would say.
Overall my problem is just that i feel something is keeping my mix from coming out the master end bright and shiny, it always sounds like the lower half comes out louder. I'm just fearful that my mixes will sound dull when compared to other trax, but now that u guys have pointed out the higher end clashing im noticing it as well and compensating. Ive done a few 2khzish cuts on my guitras and cymbals and tried messing around with the vox a bit.
hopefully itll all do the trick, im in the red zone at the moment for getting this track radio ready
Jul 07, 2009 07:57 pm Yep, the HS50 may be making you over compensate in the low end as well. But as I stated, it isn't huge out of proportion sound wise. Just ever so slightly.
Jul 11, 2009 06:41 pm To really pin down which frequencies are overpowering the others, I suggest using Har-Bal where you can visually correct it and give it a more balanced EQ and then take it by ear from there.
Good luck!
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