korg D888 / PA live show??
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Posted on Jun 02, 2009 07:57 pm
lenphish
Member Since: Jun 02, 2009
(1) ive been recording with the korg D888 for about a year now, and am partial to the outcome. it does pretty well, but im not completely satisfied.
2) ive been recording a jazz fusion band from Buffalo NY called DejaFuze. you can find them at www.myspace.com/dejafuze to see some of my recordings of the band in their house!!!
(3) i usually mic everyone up.... drums, guitar, bass(in direct), and 3keys(1guy), and also vocals thru their PA."into" the Korg D888. it comes out resonable on the recording, but i always want more, ha ha
(4) what i really want to know is, for a live show, is it possible to run everyone into the Korg D888 (as usual), but then all 8 into a PA system; while keeping the band at a lower playing level, and letting the PA push the sound of the D888 recording evenly in the room.
(5) see, the other night, i only had 10 minutes to set up, and i put everyone thru the PA 1st, then ran it out to the d888 in 2 tracks.....and pretty much had an uneven recording, but great sound in the room
(6) i already knew what was gonna happen in a sense, but didnt have time and was nervous about trying setup in (#4) and had an audience mic to pick up the slack and had the room coming in thru 1 line; plus the 2 (uneven) stereo tracks off the PA!! to me it still sounded sh*tty!!
any help would be great on paragraph (4)
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Jun 02, 2009 09:26 pm Yeah, doesn't that suck? You get this great mix in the house, and then you listen back to it on tape.......
Now your starting to think if the mix was as great as you thought it was.
The answer is yes! It was as great as you thought it was.
Your never going to get a great mix in the house, and a great mix going to tape. They are just looking for two different things.
Even with room mic's, and setting a mix on Aux sends. It just does not work.
The only way to get a truly great mix to both, is to have two boards.
One for the house, and one for the recording. Other then that, it's a compromise.
You would have to sacrifice your mix to the house is order to have a some what decent mix in your recording.
Sorry that this is not an answer that your looking for. But, it's honestly the only answer.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
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Jun 02, 2009 09:35 pm Rob said it all. Been there and done that.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 02, 2009 09:37 pm Huh?
Jun 02, 2009 09:40 pm You alright there Noize?
Jun 02, 2009 10:46 pm i understand exactly what u mean rob. i think i have enough equipment minus maybe the mics, to do 2 separate.
the bar i hang at has a great board, PA system and speakers, but no mics... i have the korg d888, 4 mics, and enuff cables to boot !!
just wanted to know if i got the sound on the korg perfect and the band stayed perfect volume wise, could i run each individual instrument thru the korg, then again indivually out of the korg, thru another board, then out the PA.
essentially if all three machines hooked together in that specific order could i get a great recording and have the room even at the same time, or would i blow the thing up, having them connected in that fashion.
Jun 03, 2009 10:24 am You can split the signal out to another board without issue. Just make sure that the second board is in the same power as the FOH board.
That way you can make sure that you do not have any ground loops.
And I have done this many times. Take a "Y" cable to your FOH board. And split the signal to the other recording board.
If you try to run them in a straight out of one right to the other, you will increase the noise floor. And which ever piece is at the end, will just be unusable.
So, either the house mix will be heavy on the static, or the recording will.
By splitting the signal, your catching it before the preamp. And now you can keep the noise floor, and EQ under control.
Do you have a split snake at the venue?
If you do, that is the best way to do it. But I know that I just increased your set up time by almost double.
Sorry.
But this is the best, and really the only way.
This is the reason that live is referred to as Reinforcement. In the house, your only pushing what the room needs. So, volume and and EQ are dictated by the room. While recording is set up the way that you wish it to be.
Not to mention that in live, you have all of the bleed through problem. Since it's impossible to get isolation when you have monitor mixes blasting back at the mic's.
Your still going to have this with your recordings at the club. Even with a separate recording board. The biggest advantage with the recoding board, is that you have a chance to clean up the EQ first, before going to tape.
Jun 03, 2009 03:50 pm thanx for the help...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jun 03, 2009 07:06 pm Rob, that was a reply in another thread to something Hue said. How in the heck did it get here.
That, or your right. Somethings wrong with me last night.
Jun 03, 2009 07:10 pm I won't speculate.
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