Jan 20, 2009 12:47 pm Heh. Nobody in his right mind would want that job, even in good times. Anyone running for it should be deemed ineligible by reason of insanity.
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Well, he's in office
Posted on Jan 20, 2009 12:19 pm
dbmasters
Administrator Since: Apr 03, 2002
I can't say I am a fan, but I can say I have never in my lifetime hoped a president succeeds more than I wish for this one. He just stepped in to quite a job.
God with you Mr. President.
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Jan 20, 2009 12:47 pm Heh. Nobody in his right mind would want that job, even in good times. Anyone running for it should be deemed ineligible by reason of insanity.
dB, the waveform in the top banner is clipping.
Jan 20, 2009 01:04 pm Quote:
dB, the waveform in the top banner is clipping.
I knew YOU would be the one to say something about slipping, having no dynamics, or something like that...
That being said, yes, it's not a job I'd want...
Jan 20, 2009 01:14 pm Quote:
Anyone running for it should be deemed ineligible by reason of insanity.
I dunno, somebody's gotta do it.
Jan 20, 2009 02:20 pm My hope in his success depends what he tries to do.
Jan 20, 2009 04:11 pm All we can do is bend over and see what happens.
Jan 20, 2009 07:23 pm hey! just leave ben outta this! ha ha.
Jan 20, 2009 09:32 pm Yep, I'm just closing my eyes and hoping to come out of this with at least a little of my friggin money left.
Jan 20, 2009 10:01 pm His speech was wonderful, but we all knew of his speaking prowess. I truly hope he can and will carry out some of the tasks he outlined. He made no bones about the state of the nation for which I am hopeful. We will have change. That is inevitable or systemic. Let us pray it is positive change.
Jan 21, 2009 05:34 am I found the speech very trite and disingenuous personally. Funny how he mentioned the sperm donor that ran out on him but never anything about the grandparents that raised him or his mom (that I heard) and while talking about humility and all that the crowd is chanting his name instead of USA or something...
I have a great fear about the Messiah complex around this guy...that said, I agree, I think he does fully realize the state of the nation...and I would guess realizes many of his promises simply are not possible.
Jan 21, 2009 06:22 am ...you mean we're all not going to be farting rainbows? :)
Jan 21, 2009 07:55 am I've been eating skittles all morning =)
Jan 21, 2009 06:03 pm Well, I can't say that I think he is perfect. But I'll tell you this. The nation has a lot of issues in it's current state. At least now I feel like we have a fighting chance, even if I know that I won't agree with everything Obama does. With his succesor, it felt like we were up **** creek without a paddle, and the boat was taking on... well, I guess it woudn't be water, now would it.
Lets see what he can do.
Jan 21, 2009 07:29 pm Quote:
The nation has a lot of issues in it's current state.
Jan 22, 2009 04:31 am i am listening to weezer's blue album right now and i want to write these types of songs again.
obama talked about his grandmother for over a year, db. not fair of you to bring it up in the wrong context, in an inauguration speech, which is supposed to be a different sort of tone. let's deal in reality here.
obama on the night his grandmother died, the night before the night he was elected.
here's why you don't have to worry about the messiah complex: we're still at heart a nation of libertarian pioneers, and the constitution is our homestead. don't think that the impulse to protect it withers and dies just because people are excited that here's a guy who seems--for once--to project a kind of authenticity, something people have craved for a very long time in a politician. the excitement is utterly natural for that reason, and for his oratory, and for the historical nature of the race thing, and for his natural charisma.
you can give america some credit or you can do what far lefties do: assume the worst at all times so as to feel that thing inside which says you're right and everyone else is stupid and the world is falling apart. i guess that's a sport, i know it can be a fun one. we all play it sometimes, but you can miss reality if you play it too much.
the moment is the thing. to expect that people wouldn't be excited right about now is laughable. some things are just expected and this is one of those things. but it doesn't mean anything. america is self correcting. every four years we look in the mirror.
Jan 22, 2009 04:46 am about the speech, one of the ideas about it seems to be that it actually didn't contain a clear core idea or a quote that could resonate down through history.
i'm not sure. on first glance, i agree with that assessment--at the level of the text itself, there's not an obvious quotable. but it also seems to me that history creates the context. the impact of an inaugural speech depends in large part on what happens in coming years. what happens next determines in large part the meaning of the speech. the key idea will be decided and remembered according to what happens.
personally i thought it hit some key ideas that need to be said. i see the core of it.
this is a key idea: 'our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age.' it may sound vague, but that's what happens when you collapse an overarching idea that contains many specifics down to a soundbite. anyone who's been wishing for a guy who understands how science is, right now, actually more important than religion for the future health of the nation understands what this means implicitly. anyone who's been frustrated by pointless partisan bickering--which ultimately has more to do with individual egos than anything else--understands the meat of this idea implicitly. things are moving on. if we don't, we weaken.
hope over fear is actually a powerful thematic idea too; it's not just a soundbite. i have a hard time understanding how people don't see what this idea really means, personally. it is not an idea without content as it is so often portrayed. it is a big idea to which many things attach.
Jan 22, 2009 06:50 am Very interesting reading threads critiquing a speech. I am noting more insight into the people, including myself, conducting the critiques that the speaker himself Obama did connect with me with much of his speech. It is all about connectivity; reaching through peoples filters and limitations and connecting with core beliefs. I would imagine this thread is representative of how his speech was received, from cynical, through ambivalence, to hopeful. Unfortunately, (that's cynicism) I haven't had time to listen to the unending "professional" critiques from those participating in the media to form an educated (now I'm being just plain shitty) opinion.
Jan 22, 2009 09:13 am Well, in truth, forty, I am hoping for the best, I always do, but anyone with half a brain has one eye on planning for the worst.
My mentioning his dad, and nobody else, was simply because he seemed to be playing his blackness, as opposed to his Americanness, though admitedly his speech was very "patriotic" as well. I like the fact people are excited, excited is a good thing, but I would rather see people excited for a nation, not a man.
Obama seems sort of authentic to me, and sort of plastic...but I am judging anything based on "Obama", look at the staff he created behind him, that is where my concern starts.
Only time will tell, and like I said, I hope for the best, I have to, but I am nervous. He's made some good moves already...
Jan 22, 2009 04:09 pm you know what i didn't like about the speech--the little swipes at bush. there seemed to be a few. just to say 'america is ready to lead again'--that's a shot at the guy sitting there in the front row, sort of.
Jan 22, 2009 05:06 pm Sort of? It was very much the McCain "That one" accusation. But, I believe that just about every new president has made some back handed remark on the guy they were replacing.
I will give it to the Bush transition team. No little tricks were played on the Obama staff. Unlike when Clinton's team was leaving. When they pulled all of the "W" keys off of every keyboard in the White house. So, kudos to Bushes staff for raising above the non sense.
Jan 22, 2009 05:10 pm I totally agree with forty (did I say that!) he did take too many childish shots...but yeah, they all do it.
Jan 22, 2009 08:06 pm Just to be clear. I didn't watch it, I don't care about it. And I'm tired of all the news and **** about it!
Just get the country back on track and stop letting all the....
Well, you know were I'm going with that.
I wish the man well indeed, but we shall see were it all ends up.
Jan 22, 2009 09:23 pm i honestly stopped caring about it the day after he won.
Jan 22, 2009 10:33 pm Quote:
i honestly stopped caring about it the day after he won.
what? did you look at your 401K that day? :)
I've been out of town for a bit and not caught up but my impression of the innnauguration and first couple days is this;
pandering
He pretty much did the absolute minimum in issuing Executive Orders and all of them were 'happy-feely-"lets be ethical" stuff... a couple of which were already in progress...such as closing gitmo...
Plus what I'm terming "Bush Stimulus II" is flying though congress - (from what I gather from the little TV I've managed to see) ... I came up with something to try to email to all of Congress;
"Let me put this in words you understand - 'NYET!!!'"
:)
But it's too late... it'll be harder for them to socialize everything if the economy is doing well...
Jan 23, 2009 12:33 am i really wish i would stop getting logged out of here. really, really wish for that.
obama's not pandering, though. that's the weirdest thing i've heard yet. i have no idea how someone could even think that. that's the last thing he's doing, if you're paying attention. he's managed to piss off more liberals than republicans so far.
Jan 23, 2009 12:34 am (one of the exec orders had to do with lobbying, and if you think about it, that's a good, serious thing, a thing he did on day one and a thing he said he'd do).
Jan 23, 2009 01:00 am Honestly, my mind has never been boggled more than the times when I open political themed threads around here. (Some of) you guys just completely miss me with your comments. It's like I'm left thinking, "wow, there are actually people out there who think that way." It astounds me honestly. But just because it blows my mind doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Well, ok, it is a bad thing... YOU MUST ALL THINK LIKE ME! NOW!
Jan 23, 2009 07:40 am Quote:
he's managed to piss off more liberals than republicans so far.
Thats why I'm calling it pandering :)
He doesn't need liberals, they'll already do pretty much anything he says.
Libertarians (and I'll lump in Constitutionalists -aka the Ron Paul crowd), on the other hand think he's the biggest threat to personal financial security since FDR... who banned private ownership of gold, as an executive order. So someone who's been compared to FDR quite a bit obviously makes free market minded people rather horrified.
Jan 23, 2009 07:43 am This Freedom of Choice Act disturbs me a bit, I am going to have to look into that, but what I have heard is that teenage girls can go have abortions without parental consent, or even knowledge...that really, really disturbs me beyond the debate of abortion itself.
He also seems to have a pretty gun-hating crew in his cabinet...which disturbs me...
but, well, we'll see I guess.
Jan 23, 2009 06:43 pm "Thats why I'm calling it pandering :) "
--well, I continue to fail to understand just how it is that no one managed to see his very obvious conservative side during the campaign. i guess it looks like pandering to those who never picked up on it? :) i've always pointed this out, posted articles about it here. such as the one about his complicated view on the economy and his belief in the power of free markets. obama is basically a scientist. he is going to use conservative ideas wherever he can.
about the speech, here's a pretty good article by the conservative charles krauthammer:
www.realclearpolitics.com...icated_man.html
^this is what i thought of the speech too. great article by kraut!
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