Unbelievable, My Senator is Stewart fuckin Smalley
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Posted on Jan 05, 2009 07:31 pm
dbmasters
Administrator Since: Apr 03, 2002
I am just appalled that people would actually vote for this guy for anything, much less Senator of a state...
I'm speechless...I think next term I'll run one of my kids hand puppets, because obviously, in Minnesota, people will vote for anyone. Coleman was far from perfect, has his share of issues, but Al Franken, one of the least diplomatic, unable to compromise and radical left wing...this is a dark day.
I can deal with our typical left of center, right of center type politicians, but Franken is radical, this is depressing...he is such a jackass the democrats on capital hill were pulling for Coleman because they don't want to work with him.
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Jan 05, 2009 07:50 pm I have been watching that fiasco all along. I can't really believe it either. Of course, this is the same state that elected Jesse Ventura to become governor.
In a nutshell...it was just a bad year to be a republican. Any other time, Coleman would have easily beaten him.
Quote: I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 05, 2009 09:44 pm Ventura was at least viable. Franken is just plain bad.
And no one I know likes him.
Jan 05, 2009 11:55 pm That whole situation just smells bad...
JDODBrother Number OneMember
Since: Jan 22, 2008
Jan 06, 2009 03:15 am I don't know, his views seem pretty centric to me. Remember he's a comedian so it could be easy for people to take things he has said as jokes in the past totally out of context.
Jan 06, 2009 06:16 am At least Ventura had political experience, and successful experience, and, all in all was a fair governor...no better, and no worse than any other. His biggest problem was him mouth.
Frnaken is not centrist at all, he is a radical left winger...want teenage girls to be able to have abortions without parents even knowing, I mean, seriously...big welfare/gov't handout supporter, redistributionist...openly wants much higher taxes, and is completely unwilling to work with, negotiate with or compromise anything for anyone...he's simply a terrible human being, I am embarrassed as hell to be a Minnesotan.
Right, left, liberal, conservative, democrat, republican, no matter, he is just a terrible human being from everything I have heard and read from all sides of the issue.
I'm just stunned.
JDODBrother Number OneMember
Since: Jan 22, 2008
Jan 06, 2009 06:43 am He's pretty centre from my point of view. Most of what he is advocating we already have in the UK. Higher taxes for high earners, the NHS, choice, the wellfare state etc.
Even the UK conservative party probably wouldn't consider him extreme left. probably just a bit bit left
Jan 06, 2009 07:33 am Extreme left here isn't considered extreme left elsewhere in the world. Just because it already exists elsewhere doesn't mean it's right or good. Franken says higher taxes for higher earners, he also believes in higher taxes for middle class, time will prove that out. NHS is a bad idea and many places in the world have already proven that, with mortality rates from serious diseases the highest in NHS countries, NHS countries are generally very good for routine checkups and the like, but if you get seriously ill, your screwed...as a whole...not saying that is a 100% of the time type thing, but often.
Choice is fine, assuming you are talking about abortion (well, no it's not fine, but it's an issue I see both sides of), but allowing a minor child to get an abortion without the parents even knowing is horrendous.
Welfare state, well, that has problems for too far reaching to cover in a forum, I agree with the concept of aiding people in distress, but I also believe there should be tighter controls on who gets it, and in Minnesota, there currently isn't...
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Jan 06, 2009 07:56 am Yup, I've seen decades of Cadillacs and fur coats strolling into the welfare office. I've been told flat out that I was stupid for working by 3rd generation welfare families. I've also noted the weekly guest appearance by the CFO who arranged the financing for a company. I'm not sure I can differentiate. There are tons of folks out there who care to make no contribution. I've also seen owners and managers take absolutely unconscionable advantage of folks with few choices. It's a mess. It's wrong. It will only serve to hurt all in the long run. But it is what it is. Given these actions why not hire comedians for government officials. There is at least some degree of ironic honesty in that choice.
Jan 06, 2009 08:02 am The first half of Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot is hilarious and a must-read.
Other than that, Franken is annoying, no doubt.
Jan 06, 2009 08:03 am I've read that book, actually, and it's still on my bookshelf, it was entertaining, that, in no way makes him worthy of being a senator.
Jan 06, 2009 08:16 am he can be very funny, tho. some of the stuff in the audio versions of his books cracked me up. but that only qualifies him to be a comedian, of course.
i kind of think coleman won. i mean i dont trust the recount. there's just a bad feeling surrounding the whole thing now.
Jan 06, 2009 08:21 am Win or lose, to me it's pathetic it was even that close, that anyone takes Stewart Smalley even close to serious...he had his funny moments, but, without a supporting cast, I never really found him that funny outside of a few shining moments. The book mentioned above being one of them.
So many votes were, for whatever reason, thrown out, not even counted, challenged trying to figure out what the voter meant...and from seeing some of the votes, and all that, it's a joke...and not a funny one...
Jan 06, 2009 08:53 am i don't recall ever finding him funny on SNL. maybe he was and i just don't remember, i dunno.
JDODBrother Number OneMember
Since: Jan 22, 2008
Jan 06, 2009 09:01 am dB you could equally say that just 'cos you consider it centre right doesn't mean that it isn't quite far right in the rest of the world. But it all depends what you consider the yardstick of "centre".
I can think of numerous cases where a child should be able to get an abortion without parental knowledge. Its needs to be done on a case by case basis really.
Wellfare state is interesting. I know that I feel better knowing that if I was made redundant tomorrow. I'd be given enough money to live off, I've paid my taxes, I deserve it.
It is very easy to abuse though, and it is abused by a minority. It needs to be policed very carefully.
In the UK to claim unemployment benefit you have to prove that you are applying for work in order to claim. When they brought that in some people started sending in bogus applications (my wife see's loads of them) but recruiters are encouraged to conact the Job Centre to make them aware that the person isn't really trying. That caused a huge improvement. They have also put forward a policy recently (not gone through yet, I hope it does) whereby after an able bodied person has been unemployed for a certain length of time they have to do community work (basically the same community service people who fight when they are drunk get) to earn their benefit.
There was a programme on tele here recently about trying to get long term unemployed into work, helping them with their CVs etc. They manged to get them to sort a CV and they were sending it off to about 1 company a week and had the nerve to complain that "The bloddy Poles are coming over here and taking our jobs" It then showed a Polish student on her gap year. She had applied for over 20 jobs within 48 hours of being in the UK and had 4 interviews.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that people who want to work will work. You just have to make work better than the alternative.
dB, I've also just noticed that the thread title at the bottom of the thread doesn't **** out the swearing. Thats great. I love a good ******* swear, me!
Jan 06, 2009 09:08 am Yes, you could equally, and just as accurately, say that. On the whole though, the US is more conservative than the rest of the world, not saying it's good or bad, right or wrong, it just is.
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I can think of numerous cases where a child should be able to get an abortion without parental knowledge.
Never in a million years would I ever, ever agree to that in any way shape or form, a child is under the parents custody, that child should be able to do virtually nothing without a parent knowing regardless of circumstance.
Jan 06, 2009 09:11 am i thought conservatives were supposed to be happier than liberals? db you are not supporting the results of that study!
if franken's in there i think it'll be mostly just a lot of people making fun of franken and franken coming back with quips. then, later, history will resume.
Jan 06, 2009 09:12 am hahaha, touche'.
No, I am not happy with this...but you are right...at the end of the day, life will continue.
Franken will be a non-factor in the big picture.
Jan 06, 2009 09:18 am I don't ever remember a time when my quality of life changed with my senator.
Jan 06, 2009 12:03 pm True, but if he gets any support for his ideas (which he likely won't, as he is mostly hated in political circles), he is one of those guys that wants to give and give to everybody, college tax credits, NHS, welfare, gov't backed alternative energy, raising minimum wages, and yet then promises tax cuts...I don't get how that works.
He wants gov't involved in everything, EVERYTHING, and that is rarely good...as nobody wastes more money faster than anything controlled by the gov't.
Jan 06, 2009 12:13 pm Quote:
Franken says higher taxes for higher earners, he also believes in higher taxes for middle class
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he is one of those guys that wants to give and give to everybody, college tax credits, NHS, welfare, gov't backed alternative energy, and yet then promises tax cuts
Jan 06, 2009 12:16 pm Like I said, time will prove out what he really wants to do...as opposed to what he says he wants to do (which goes for every politician in history). There are endless quotes of him saying he'll raise taxes...he won't directly raise middle class income tax, maybe, but he has stated he supports thing like taxing gas yet further, and even was quoted saying that we "wouldn't even notice it"...yeah, no taxing of the middle class there.
How can one say they want to give and give and give, and then say they then want to cut the funding for the pool that funds all that giving? I mean, does anyone's checkbook work that way outside gov't offices?
Jan 06, 2009 12:24 pm I'll trade you 3 Al Frankens and a Blagojevich for one good tax accountant.
/problem over
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 06, 2009 06:52 pm You can use mine, she is great.
LMM CPA
And 3 Frankens and an Arne' wouldn't even get you in the door.
Jan 06, 2009 08:30 pm Thanks Noize, but mine gives great bed snuggles too, with 0% of the fees and hassles of the regular CPA.
I do have to clean the toilets though.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 06, 2009 09:04 pm Wow, your lucky. I wish I had married a CPA. Or someone at least good at math.
Jan 06, 2009 09:21 pm She thinks in the center of the finances, without swaying to the left or the right of the decimal point.
That's how you balance a checkbook.
JDODBrother Number OneMember
Since: Jan 22, 2008
Jan 07, 2009 04:43 am dB, you say no one waste money quicker than the government (how the **** do you quote on this forum?) which may have some truth to it, government departments and councils do tend to be pretty inefficiently run.
But the other side of that of course is that large private companies that generate collosal amounts of wealth , generate that wealth for a very small number of very wealth people.
Jan 07, 2009 06:14 am I don't know if I entirely agree with that, though I understand the argument...I do think the majority of large companies that make the news for corruption and crap do a lot of what you say, but on the whole, I think the full marketplace is fairer than that sampling would make it appear...and in addition, companies at least create jobs...
JDODBrother Number OneMember
Since: Jan 22, 2008
Jan 07, 2009 07:12 am Councils and governments also create jobs.
If there is nothing putting the breaks on companies ruthlessly chasing nothing but profit all that happens is a small number of people get super rich.
Look up what that bastard Milton Freidman did when he was given a free reign to de-regulate markets, and remove state controls from the market place in foreign countries. A small number of people (usually Americans) got very, very rich. While the countries in question suffered from mass corruption, unemplyment and hyper inflation.
There has to be a good balance between the market force and regulation of the market.
Jan 07, 2009 07:20 am Sure, but regulation is never done fairly...and why are people so hateful of companies that make money, I really don't get that. Profitable companies create jobs...
Government can make jobs, but the are far more efficient at wasting money...hell, they just gave away 700 billion plus of tax dollars and have no idea where any of it went...
JDODBrother Number OneMember
Since: Jan 22, 2008
Jan 07, 2009 07:35 am Of course companies should create wealth and jobs. Thats what they are for. They just need to be regulated. Otherwise they create totally obscene wealth, think they are invincible and engage in shady practices.
Some companies make mistakes though and fail because of their own greed. Unfortunately some of them have been under-regulated and when the failiure comes they are deemed "to big to fail" so you end up with a $700M bailout and all of us get dragged into the shitfight.
