Sonar DISASTER

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Mans reach exceeds his grasp
Member Since: Oct 23, 2007

I've been working on a song in Sonar 7.0.2 for about a week, off and on, and tonight I was putting the finishing touches on it to ready it for sending off to a buddy for final mixing/mastering and Sonar/the computer froze. I saved the project a few minutes before it froze, so the data should still be there (I think) for the most part, but here's the kicker; The song won't play back (produce any sound) in Sonar after the computer froze up/ was restarted. I don't see any midi triggers on midi track VU/bar meters, no activity on Audio track VU/bar meters, and no waveforms on the master 'waveform drawing thingy' (as I'll call it for now) in this particular project. All other projects play back just fine with no issues.

What I was doing within the program when it happened: Playing the song and adjusting levels in the mixer view. When I clicked the [X] to exit the mixer view is when it froze.

I've tried re-loading all my drivers from scratch (ASIO4ALL, Tascam US-144 drivers and firmware,) tried viewing inside the project file itself to see if any audio or midi tracks had been damaged or lost, and all appears to be in order; even tried re-installing Sonar, and all the Synths and VSTi's period. I've totally re-installed everything, and every song works but the one that fell victim to the freeze.

My mistake was saving to the same project file the whole time I suppose, but if anyone has ANY idea how to get it working again, it'd be great. I'm all out of ideas.

(Stupid Tascam US-144 taking 25% of my CPU caused the freeze, NO doubt. They've got a NASTY e-mail and phone call coming to them.)

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Since: Jul 02, 2003

Jan 14, 2008 11:48 pm

You know I had something like that happen in Sonar awhile back, but don't give up as I recall fixing it was simple, but for the life of me I can't remember what it was I did. :( Have you tried rebuilding the wave form view to confirm that sonar is indeed loading the wav's and not place holders?

You could probably rebuild the session if nothing else gets it back. PIA I know but at least you'll have the song back.

If I think of anything else I'll post. I feel for ya.

Dan


Mans reach exceeds his grasp
Member
Since: Oct 23, 2007

Jan 15, 2008 12:07 am

olddog... once again, you are my ray of hope. Thank you for your prompt response.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you mean by "loading the wav's and not the place holders." Are you referring to the visual version of the wav loading, but not the actual audio? If so, this sounds like what's going on. I've never rebuilt a song in Sonar, is it like rebuilding in Pro Tools HD or Nuendo? I have to rebuild files all the time from unreliable Nuendo files (from Warezed Software) and in PT sometimes the files get jostled and need to be re-built. So by re-building, (I'm going with my experience on this 'definition') Do you mean starting a new project and:
1)Importing the audio .wav's and be sure they've not become corrupted &
2)Importing the midi files and re-load the VSTi's and Synths to their respective tracks.

Is this along the lines of rebuilding in Sonar, or have I only touched the surface/ over complicated the matter?

You got me thinking I can, indeed, rebuild the track if all else fails, (which it kinda already has,) but I've never done it in Sonar. Is there a better/easier way to do this?

Member
Since: Jul 02, 2003

Jan 15, 2008 12:36 am

Yes that's what I mean. Since you made a save prior to the crash everything should be there you'll just have start over session wise. I've had to do that a couple times in both Audition & Sonar.

As I recall if Sonar can't load a file for some reason it puts basically a blank one there. If r-click and select Properties on one of the wav files there is a button there to rebuild the wav display, if it stays flat then no audio file is actually loaded most likely. If it shows a wav form then you'll just need to start hunting for the problem preventing stuff from playing, things like the outputs, correct audio drivers selected, etc.

Dan

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 15, 2008 08:10 pm

Keith, on the midi tracks, if you had synths frozen it may have had the [b]hide midi tracks button checked in the Freeze Options screen. Its in the track drop down menu from above. Also, you can try unfreezing them if it allows you to do that. I know I have only two crashes with Sonar and I had several tracks hidden or archived by the issue, which was caused by a freeware synth I was using that wasn't so worth the freeness after I thought it had ruined the project.

double check all the hide options to make sure none were turned on by the crash.

www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Since: Feb 07, 2005

Jan 15, 2008 08:17 pm

I had a glitch at one time that sounds a lot like this. For me, I tweaked a wav file in Melodyne and saved it as the same name. When I open the session file in Sonar it did the same thing. The wav file was a flat line. Could you done something distructive to one of the original wav files outside of Sonar?
To fix I only had to re-import the file. I did have to align it again but it did work. BTW - the wav file properties were pointing to the correct file! I'm thinking that Sonar was confused by the file "footprint"

Mans reach exceeds his grasp
Member
Since: Oct 23, 2007

Jan 15, 2008 08:45 pm

Wow, I feel kinda dumb. The outputs and inputs on all the tracks were jumbled around, which I fixed, but I never thought to look at the master output, which was set to go to a midi controller I don't even have; and I found this out after rebuilding the whole thing. Oh well, thanks for your help guys. Human error strikes again.

(I'm still writing nasty messages to Tascam though.)

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 15, 2008 10:29 pm

Thats a relief for sure. I can't tell you how many times I've beat my head against the mixing desk trying to figure out what I fried only to find a stinking mute button pressed in that I over looked.

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