Stereo Delay...perception...how to fix it?

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Member Since: Jan 19, 2005


Hey, I have been mixing for over a year and I have run into not so much a problem but an annoyance. I mostly mix hip hop but this could apply to any genre. When I am mixing in background dubs for emphasis on key rhymes or punch lines I like to put a stereo delay on it. It gives the key lines a thick and wide feel. I usually use anywhere from a 5 to 30ms delay between identical tracks panned left and right. Sometimes hard panned but most of the time not, just enough to give it a wider stereo feel. Now my problem is even though the left and right channel of the dub track is balanced power wise, the stereo perception is always dominate on the side that is not delayed. Maybe it is because my ears are hearing the left channel of the vocal dub being played milliseconds before the right channel, I dunno...

Anyways, I have tried different delay amounts but always get that unbalance stereo perception on the dubs. I have used two separate takes of the same dub and panned them out, that seems to work but I lose that real tight feel that a single dub provides.

Let me know if you have experienced this same problem or what you would do differently. How to take a single track of dubs and make it sound wide with a balanced stereo perception....

Thanks
-C

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Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Jun 25, 2007 03:01 pm

how about three tracks....keep the center one the same (your normal vocal)...then copy twice, and pan those out evenly..and delay them the same amount of time....this will balance it out. or you can even automate the center track to drop out...so you only hear the seperated delayed ones...keep them delay times the same and the panning the same for that 'balanced' feel.

Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
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Since: May 10, 2002


Jun 26, 2007 03:30 pm

Ya, In live recording two properties of sound are saught to show placement of sound, loudness and time. Delay says to the mind 'further away'. I like WYD's idea. It should sound like a truck comming right at you. Center ahead and reflections on both sides.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jun 26, 2007 03:35 pm

"saught"?

Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
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Since: May 10, 2002


Jun 26, 2007 09:58 pm

Smartass :)

It has already been established that I are the worst spaller on the planet!

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Jun 26, 2007 10:05 pm

me too, i've been usin' my google toolbar as a dictionary lately...it works great! i shant be editing my posts so much now.

Chief Cook and Bottle Washer
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Since: May 10, 2002


Jun 27, 2007 07:28 am

Lol, seriously WYD, out loud. I've been doin that too on occasion. It works better the MS word! That is a stich!

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jun 27, 2007 10:51 pm

You guys really need to install and run Firefox. It has the correction deal built right into it. When you screw up it underlines it in red and you simply right click and it gives you the choice of what it should or could be.

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Jun 28, 2007 12:45 am

**** NO WAY!!! i'm usin' firefox and didn't know that!

thanks for the tip!

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jun 28, 2007 09:48 pm

WYD, its at 2.0.0.4 now. Go to options/advanced in the general tab toward the bottom you will see the check box to use it.

Pity though it doesn't help my actual punctuation and grammar.

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