I Know She Understands - pre-master

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www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Hey all,

Well I think we're finally about to put this one to rest...
www.homerecordingconnecti...sic&id=2474

...time to get to work on something new - :)

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bace135 in the house tonight!
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Since: Jan 28, 2003


Jun 20, 2007 12:53 pm

when i try and play the song on your profile, there are issues. Nothing happens after the flash player starts (it won't play), and when I press download it says there is no file...

www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Since: Feb 07, 2005


Jun 20, 2007 01:18 pm

Hey! What's up with that. I just tried myself and I get the same thing. Hmm, looks like a new player. I'll try uploading it again and maybe that will help.

Thanks for trying.

EDIT: I just tried to upload and the "modify" option is not there. Only the get from URL option is there like Herb?? mentioned in another thread. I think dB may be up to something with the new player and all.

bace135 in the house tonight!
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Since: Jan 28, 2003


Jun 20, 2007 01:24 pm

maybe it has something to do with the impending server mover?

Ne'er ate 'er
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Since: Apr 05, 2006


Jun 20, 2007 01:49 pm

Yep, same problem I had, BH. I ended up having to delete the listing and redo it.

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jun 20, 2007 02:09 pm

hmmmmmm

I get off work in a couple hours, then I have to run to the lawyers and crap, I'll look at it after that.

Weird, I tested on and offsite forms, added, edited, reuploaded, and everything just fine...

I'll get 'er fixed tonight, sorry, guys. Something is obviously wrong here...

A small pie will soon be eaten
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Since: Aug 26, 2004


Jun 21, 2007 05:02 am

Ooohh, sexy new HRC player!

I like this one right off the bat.

oh the harmonies! absolutely brilliant!

This is one of the best songs i've heard here!

Perfect mix, Really good pacing throughout.

kind of alan parsons meets pearljam meets alice in chains!

The guitar sound is crunchin!

Had to listen through Laptop speakers but will fire it out my good ones later.

There does, however, seem to be some strange noise on and around the solo.

Top stuff mate.

That's going on Noize's Cruiz'n CD i reckon.

It's going on mine

www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Since: Feb 07, 2005


Jun 21, 2007 11:50 am

Thanks Bleak. I'm trying to upload the latest mix that has a couple of areas fixed that had been bugging us (may very well be the same thing you heard in the solo area). Small stuff like a couple of string squeaks and other small annoyances. Once I get the file to upload properly I will make it available for download. The last version I uploaded was slowwwww.

www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Since: Feb 07, 2005


Jun 21, 2007 12:00 pm

Hey all, I can't seem to get this file to play correctly on the site here. I'm sure it has somehting to do with the bitrate or the codec. Something like that anyways.

I have made the song available for download over here though www.guitaristworks.com/th...oject/audio.php

I appreciate all your support and encouragement!

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Jun 21, 2007 12:06 pm

if you have time, try using different encoders, something is wrong there me thinks.

www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Since: Feb 07, 2005


Jun 21, 2007 12:15 pm

I'm pretty sure it has to do with the file itself. I exported out of Sonar at 32/96000 and then dumped it into Audition for mastering. I then saved a copy of the file as an MP3 and Audition automatically down sampled to 16/44000 which is what I expected but I think this conversion has made it slightly incompatible with this site.

I'll try to manually down sample it before I create the MP3's and that will probably solve this issue. I won't be able to do this for awhile though as I have a couple of things lined up... including ROGER WATERS TONIGHT!! w00t!!

Ne'er ate 'er
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Jun 21, 2007 12:22 pm

Would the settings of the 'copyright', 'original', or 'private' bits during MP3 conversion affect compatibility here? Also wondering about joint stereo and all those wacky things. Just thinking out loud.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jun 22, 2007 09:37 pm

BH, export the mp3 right out of Sonar! You can simply open the mastered file in Sonar again, then let Sonar do the mp3 conversion.

www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Since: Feb 07, 2005


Jun 22, 2007 09:47 pm

Quote:
BH, export the mp3 right out of Sonar! You can simply open the mastered file in Sonar again, then let Sonar do the mp3 conversion.

Ya, its not that. I use Audtion for effects and Ozone. In this case it is the spin down part right at the end.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jun 22, 2007 09:56 pm

Hey, Mikey likes it!!!!

Bleak, I've got two of the past version on cruizin CD's already. But yep. tis final one is going on another.

BH, not sure what you did but the vocals seem to blend better now. Am I hearing a couple of added touches, like the synth part going to the outro? I haven't listened to the other versions for a little bit but I don't remember that being there.

Otherwise, yep I would call this one done for sure. And I still love it, one of the HRC's greatest hits in my book.

I am not a crook's head
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Since: Mar 14, 2003


Jun 22, 2007 10:04 pm

Did you take the song down? I don't see a "I Know She Understands" on that link. Apologies for not having listened to it earlier in the first place, I know you've been working on this for a long time.

www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Jun 23, 2007 12:44 am

Ya sorry tadpui, I will be uploading it again over the weekend.

In the meantime you can always download it from here www.guitaristworks.com/th...oject/audio.php

Thanks for the interest. Very cool :)


***EDIT: Ok, I think I was able to upload it properly to the site. I haven't really listened to this conversion carefully so if something sounds off let me know.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Jun 24, 2007 05:38 pm

BH, when I listened last night it all sounded good.
Have you tried using Ozone in Sonar on the master buss? That is were I put it when I need to.

Czar of Cheese
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Since: Jun 09, 2004


Jun 24, 2007 09:03 pm

BH,

Another great song! You guys are on a roll...

Sweet guitar work, love the crunch. I like the way the quiet sections and the rockin' sections compliment each other.

I've said it before...your stuff is as good as anything I hear anywhere else. Keep up the good work!

Jim

Czar of Cheese
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Jun 24, 2007 09:05 pm

Oh, yeah, and I forgot to comment on how cool it is to have an acoustic guitar soloing over the loud rockin' stuff!

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Since: Apr 26, 2006


Jun 24, 2007 10:09 pm

I heard an earlier version and tonight this one. This song could be used as a model of how to do it right!

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Since: Jul 02, 2003


Jun 24, 2007 10:45 pm

Mix is really sounding fine to me except the snare seems a bit overpowering to where it isn't sitting in the mix and the guitar solo seems a bit on the quiet side. The rest sounds really good to me.

Great song, really like it!

Dan

bace135 in the house tonight!
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Jun 25, 2007 12:18 pm

on the verses, i would say the rimshot/snare is too far in the background, too low, and then in the chorus with the heavy guitar, the snare is overpowering like dan said. Also like dan said the accoustic guitar solo is a bit quiet in the mix with the electric going on behind it. But I have to agree with everyone else, this is a very cool song! Everything sounds clean! Very nice.

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Jun 25, 2007 12:26 pm

Thanks guys. Ya the drums are a bit of a struggle. I'm going to have to ride the drum bus faders to get them to sit correctly. I don't think that the guitars are to far back as much as I think the drums are overpowering. This is exactly the type of feedback that I need. There is quite a bit going on in this song and I get lost quite easily. Seems that when I focus on one instrument to adjust levels, it always seems loud because I'm listening specifically to that instrument. I have to learn not to focus so much and listen to the overall mix.

Another example was when I was working on Chelsea's vocals. They seemed really loud as I focused on them and then listening a couple of days later to the final mix they sounded way in the background.

Hmmm, does anyone else experience this?


www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Jun 25, 2007 02:01 pm

Wow, I just listened to this song for the first time since I uploaded it and wow is it different than the version I have on our band website. Strange indeed. Either I forgot to save the changes or there is a difference between the Audition and Sonar convertors. Is that possible? Personally I think I'm losing my mind.

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Jun 26, 2007 01:25 am

Quote:
Hmmm, does anyone else experience this?


All the time. :)

Dan

Hold 'Em Czar
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Jun 26, 2007 07:29 pm

yeah every mp3 encoder is different....

*listenin' now*

AWSOME HARMONYS!!...ok the drums (on my tiny computer speakers) are a bit on top of everything....a bit longer reverb tail and maybe back of the drum buss (if you have on) a few db's...this will make your guitars sound bigger, now (to me) they're gettin' stomped by the drums (level wise)....i like the bit 'o' chorus on them though, not too much, just right.....i wouldn't mind hearing a bit more 'edge' on them either (around 4k or so) they're a bit 'unclear' if that makes sense...ballsy, yes, biting/ear spliting, no. as for the bass guitar i'm not hearin' it at all, this is, whoah! what was that eeeaaaarrrrwwwwhhh thing, that was sweet!...uh where was i...

*second listen*

i love the kids in the intro, sets the mood just right. i wouldnt' mind hearin' them again sometime later in the song....nice reverb on them...they're good and blury, infact i'm gonna rewind.....sounds like ya didn't add any reverb at all...just natural ambience (how/where did you record them?)....ok yeah the bass, it's gonna need a bit more presense in the upper mids (geesh, i just said that to herb, so i could be wrong on this and it's just my crappy speakers)...but yeah notch the guitars/vocals around 700-1k and boost it in the bass in the same area. that snare and hi-hats are really what's on top, the kick isn't all that loud *again on my 2" computer speakers*....the rim shots sound GREAT...i can hear the bass here too! who's the female singer? friend? bandmate? sounds great...they work well. ok back to rim shots.....i'm not suggesting re-tracking, but i really wanna hear more fancy hi-hat stuff gooin' on ESPICALLY on the rim-shot sections.....the quarter notes just arn't movin' me...i'm thinkin' 16th notes with the hats openin' every once and a while.

i really dig the song though, the super-loud snare is my biggest distraction.

www.TheLondonProject.ca
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Jun 26, 2007 08:15 pm

Thanks for the feedback WYD. If you get a chance and you want to hear a much better mix, head over to here www.guitaristworks.com/th...oject/audio.php and download a 192bps of the song. The one I uploaded here is not the best quality. I messed up somewhere along the way.

BTW - the female vox is our new band member and my daughter Chelsea.

Hold 'Em Czar
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Since: Dec 30, 2004


Jun 26, 2007 08:28 pm

DOH! i'm at home now, and i've got NO sound on this mutha falcon computer (i've got 3 sound cards on it now even!!!) but i digress.

chelsea, yeah i thought i remember you sayin' that somewhere around here...i just wanted to make sure.

nice voice that girl's got...keep her workin' on it.

i'll give it another listen tomorrow fer sher.

The fat one always watches us.
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Jun 28, 2007 11:00 am

Jeeze, everyone around here is realllly uppin the ante. what a well written, preformed and recorded song. little queensryke (i have no idea how to spell it. good stuff.

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Since: Apr 26, 2006


Jun 28, 2007 07:55 pm

I do have a question. How were those guitar under the solo as well as he solo recorded, because they are rich with sound.

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Jun 28, 2007 08:44 pm

Hey Bluesdues, man you don't expect me to give away my secrets do you? Just kidding. I'm happy to give back what I have learned here.

All electrics were recorded using a Epi LP Black Beauty through a POD (double tracked by playing through twice).

Bass was DI with a Guitar Rig plug in.

All acoustics were mic'd with 2 K-micros (Stereo pair).

Don's vocals were done with a single K-micro

Chelsea's vocals were done using a Studio Projects B1.

Chelsea's vocals actually sounded better on the K-micro's as well but we chose the B1 due to the performance. Given the time and opportunity I just may re-track her vocals using the K-micro again.

Thanks for listening.

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Jun 28, 2007 10:09 pm

Thanks a lot, I appreciate that. I also ordered 4 K-micros based on an old thread by you. I haven't hooked them up yet but love the results you got. I've got line 6 flextone III, with direct outs I hope it can compete with that POD. I haven't used it yet but we will see.
You Da Man.

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Jun 29, 2007 10:51 am

You're gonna love the mic's. I was quite surprised how well they worked actually. I mean how high do you get your hopes up when you are buying a $5 mic? I taped a pair of them together by using a small square piece of wood. I pointed the tips inward so they were almost touching and then I mounted this crude thing on a mic stand. Don and I sat down to jam out some acoustic stuff for this song and for the hell of it we decided to use these mic's. The crude stereo pair was place at about the 12th fret and about a foot away. Upon play back our mouths dropped in awe. Not saying that these would replace a ribbon mic or a LDC and the likes but wow, it really was surprising. After hearing them we started asking ourselves what else could we use them on. At that point we re-tracked Don's lead vox with them and once again we were very surpised.

They will not work on drums though. I even tried to record our rehearsal the other night and used one as a room mic just to capture a bit of the session but no luck. They simply do not handle high SPL's. Too bad in a way because they were so cheap I was going to install 4 of them in each corner of the ceiling of the live room just for capturing the sessions and maybe to inject a bit of room sound into a mix. No such luck though.

On vocals (with a good pop filter) and acoustic instruments, they rock. Oh, one other thing. They do not fit in a standard mic holder. Not even a clamp type one. I had these large foam rings laying around that fit perfectly around the mic. With that on them they can be held in place by a mic clamp.

Take care,
BH

Czar of Midi
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Jul 01, 2007 12:45 am

BH, I got the new 35.1 models and was surprised. They worked pretty well on the drums. I was looking to see if they sounded any different then the standards and they didn't sound much different. Only on the higher SPL items. They seemed to handle the percussive stuff better. I brought the other pair with and did a/b them against each set. You can hear the first set give it up when they are pushed with loud percussive sounds, but the newer ones did not give it up like that. Pretty smooth and articulate. I as well tried some hand percussion and and other misc. percussion and found them to handle it better as well. The others seemed to get a bit pitchy when pushed really hard, but the newer ones did not.

But getting back on track. I gotta say for the price these things are absolutely killer. I cant wait to order one of their ribbons.

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