Apr 10, 2007 12:52 pm ... all those knobs and buttons...
workin' with the pro's...
Posted on Apr 10, 2007 12:38 pm
whosyourdaddy00
Hold 'Em Czar
Member Since: Dec 30, 2004
man, this is the third time i've gotten to work with real nashville session union musicians, and i swear, it blows me away every time....
we produced a guy in indiana that came down for two days (tracking only) and we banged out a whole cd...keep in mind these musicians have never heard the material before...all they did was listen to the artist play on an acoustic guitar, while they ALL charted out the song in real time...after about a 10 min. discussion on tags, and whatnot, they all split up and laid it down!...f'n amazing.
i got to play with a neve 9098i board, and real f'n LA-2A's and 1176's! all in all it's been a very insporational week....HA that's kind of a pun because we tracked at Trinity studios (think TBN christian network) they've got a whole village of tv studios (you know the preachin' shows and what not) and a seperate building of recording studios....here lemme see if they got a website....ahhh yeah here we go, we were in studio A.
www.tmcrecordingstudio.com/studio_a/studio_a.html
good times, next we get to mix it at SAE, prolly on a PT setup with Control 24, i donno yet.
good times!
oh, and dig this subwoofer...omg it's amazing!
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Apr 10, 2007 12:52 pm ... all those knobs and buttons...
Apr 10, 2007 02:40 pm My in-laws used to have a house on Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri. They lived next to a Mr. Bott, who was apparently the king of Christian radio broadcasting in the US. I got the feeling that every religious broadcast station somehow went through him. He had so much money it was unbelievable...he built a zoo on his own property. A zoo! And a rodeo, and all sorts of other stuff. It was crazy touring that stuff.
Anyways, yeah christian broadcasting is big business. And its strange that it is like that, because I couldn't name 1 single person that I know that listens to christian radio on purpose.
But thats some awesome gear, must be fun to get to use such high-end tech toys (don't let the studio manager hear you call them toys tho hehehe).
Apr 10, 2007 03:32 pm Quote:
on purpose
heh, i gotta laugh outta that one!
Apr 10, 2007 04:01 pm Hahaha yeah you know when you're scouring the broadcast frequencies for something to listen to, and you come across a song that sounds ok, and then the traditional christian rock chorus kicks in: "God is good. Praise to God. God is great". Man I tell you that music is all God all the time! Every song, every chorus. I don't know of any other genre that's so intense about its purpose. Most artists do variations around a theme, but christian rock is all theme and no variation.
Apparently I'm in the minority of people that appreciate a little subtlety in my music because that stuff sells like hotcakes!
Apr 10, 2007 04:05 pm You are so incredibly off the mark in regards to modern Christian Pop music...sure, some of it is the standard "praise god" type of stuff, which is no weirder or more stupid than the opposite side of the spectrum singing about the horrendous things in life...violence and such...
Not all Christian music is all church songs, much of it is, at least in rock n roll, just positive messages of spirituality and good things in life. It just tends to be positive rather than negative, not necessarily an upbeat church hymn...
I am not a big listener myself, but I have heard enough to know that you are very, very wrong...
Apr 10, 2007 04:12 pm Sorry, but every christian rock song I've heard has been like that. Just calling it as I see it, that's all.
Apr 10, 2007 04:13 pm ...then you have likely heard three songs...cuz there is a wide variety of music in Christian rock n roll...more variety than there is in death metal lyrics and musicianship...
When I hear it get put into a bucket it bums me out...cuz it's unfair. But not hard to understand...I listen to death metal and feel the same way, it's all the same, fast and boring about death and dismemberment, but somebody that likes the genre hears/see's or just cares about subtle differences that I just simply don't give a crap about.
Apr 10, 2007 04:58 pm and don't for get about the thugz and their ho's!
i'm kinda leaning with Tad on this one (as an outsider looking in) most of our clients are in the christian realm and i'm pretty hard pressed to think of a song that's not directly praising God or Jesus or whatever as the main theme of the song....i guess that's why they call it praise/worship. :/
every genre has it's stereotype, and every stereotype has a bit of truth.
as for stumbling on the christian station, i've done that a few times...the production in the style has gone over a major overhaul and they've adopted all the production techniques of modern pop/rock. so yeah it sounds like secular music at first because it pretty much is, until the praising begins....which is fine.
i love Lamb of God, now there's a christian band that's not all lovie-dovie, God bless this, God bless that, Jesus is lord etc. hell i don't even care what they're sayin', i dig the musicianship.
as far as what's on the christian station, i gotta say it all sounds very homoginized (sp?) much like everything else on the dial.
Apr 10, 2007 05:02 pm Yeah, there are truths in all sterotypes, and falsehoods...there are a few Christian bands that have flitted with mainstream secular success as well, Jars of Clay comes to mind...
I do see your point as far as "praise/worship" vs pop bands...The News Boys were (are?) a decent Christian Pop band, some praise songs, some just plain old good feeling lyrics...
Apr 10, 2007 05:08 pm Maybe I've mixed up Praise/Worship music with Christian Pop/Rock.
Apr 10, 2007 06:00 pm hahahaha! I listen to christian rock all the time!
starting light
a little heavier
heavy
aquired tastes
Apr 10, 2007 07:11 pm I used to listen to jars of clay, dc talk, and the newsboys quite a bit in my youth. And I still listen to jars of clay on occasion. Not so much of the "god is great god is good" stuff, but all christian artists.
Apr 12, 2007 01:04 am You know whats weird,I can tell when I stumble on one of those channels before the chorus.It all sounds the same.Uninspirable,unoriginal low grade pop.Sorry.I don't want to offend,just my thoughts on that genre.But then again anything that fits nice in any genre is boring crap for the masses.
Apr 12, 2007 01:24 am i've found there's mind-blowingly awsome music in EVERY genera....the trick is to find it though.
Apr 12, 2007 01:56 am You will not find anything that is mind blowing that sits neatly in any genre.It's usually on the outer edge..Prove me wrong.
Apr 12, 2007 02:16 am And I'm not talking about those who set the standard or invent genre's.
Apr 14, 2007 10:29 am Metal
Gnashing of Teeth (live performances - christian metal)
Country
Bering Strait (Classically trained Russian Bluegrass)
Apr 14, 2007 12:37 pm stavesacre = great christian rock band. guy has a great voice. the song rivers underneath is quite worth hearing.
Apr 14, 2007 12:43 pm Stavesacre is/was (are they still around?) great, seen them many times, cool guys too...
Apr 14, 2007 01:19 pm Stavesacre would proably be along the lines of 'setting the standard'... thats the probalem with christian metal. it also sets the trend for secular metal because of the dynamics of the market.... for one it's legal to play on the radio :) Two it can reach the all important middleskooler market because it's not 'satan music' :)
So I would describe Stavesacre (yes still around), Zao, Every Day Life, Luti-Kriss/Norma Jean, and probably even Saviour Machine as 'genre defining "standards"'
I listed Gnashing of Teeth because they are an indie... not sure why they're not signed yet... might be holding out for a major lable.
Apr 14, 2007 01:25 pm ...and for a great voice a fairly young christian metal band is This Fires Embrace
www.myspace.com/thisfiresembrace
Apr 15, 2007 12:20 am I am guessing most of you don't realize the there are bands out the like POD and such that are considered Christian, even though they don't tend to lean on the moniker to sell records. Listen to POD and it is mostly positive lyrical content.
I'll even bring up one of our members, Rob Perez hwo has two projects. Visual Cliff and Fall of Echoes. Both are what I consider Christian bands. They as well donate from sales of their records to a couple of charities in need. If you have not listened to any of their stuff you are really missing out. Think of Dream Theatre and the like. And all the lyrics are very positive and uplifting. No praise the lord typs stuff going on there at all.
Jars of Clay are a staple here. I have met them and you would honestly never peg them as Christian rockers in the least.
Apr 15, 2007 02:14 am well, it's early and I'm not thinking clearly but I'll reiterate that the request for a name of a 'edgy' metal band generally causes me to name christian bands mainly because they're easier to find because ...well... honestly I don't know of any Clear Channel metalcore stations :)
some of us #cough# met POD when they still played small venue church shows :) But yeah, I've briefly met Jars and they come off as a regular band... Ive even had another christian band ...Sonic Flood I think... barge into a recording session asking if anyone wanted to go drinking :)
Apr 15, 2007 03:55 am for metal, i nominate Pantera as a great METAL band
as for country a great COUNTRY band (or rather artist) would be Johnny Cash.
Apr 15, 2007 12:16 pm Pantera,as far as I think did not fit neatly into that genre at that time.Johnny Cash is a poor example.He took country to a new level,He was way way way way on the outer edge.
Apr 15, 2007 12:27 pm I agree with vicdeluca71, though it depends on your definition of "country" I see Johnny Cash as very different from typical country.
As far as great metal, that is such a loose term, which decade of metal are we talking about?
Apr 15, 2007 04:08 pm You might even go as far as stating what year metal. Some of it seemed to change on a monthly basis during the late 80's through the mid to late 90's.
And ya, lumping Johnny Cash into the country thing would be kind of wrongish. He was more along the outlaw lines of Waylon and Willie and David Allen Coe. Although not as far over the edge as Coe was but you get the point.
Apr 16, 2007 04:29 am Well, whatever, it sounds like a lot of fun WYD, a lot of fun. That's actually what i'm always looking for in musicians, the guys that can hear something and just play it straight back - awesome. I've played with a few but they really are few and far between. Especially if you want them to put some emotion into it too.
Just a small point as it's kind of a bugbear..
"It's" = It is.
"Its" = Belonging to it.
"Pros" = Professionals
"Pro's" = Belonging to the professional you're talking about.
..and while we're here - CDs, not CD's, that would be belonging to a CD.
I'm sorry but it just bugs me so much so i had to say something.
Apr 16, 2007 03:33 pm This thread was pretty boring for me until Rigsby came through with the grammar lesson. Awesome!!!!
Apr 16, 2007 04:37 pm Hahaa, yeah misuse of apostrophes drives me nuts! And the internet seems to be spreading bad apostrophe habits around the globe.
Apr 16, 2007 04:41 pm WTH!!!
Nobody mentioned STRYPER!!!
Opeth is a good christian metal band.
Also, Johnny Cash was never coutry to me, he is psychobilly and always will be.
Apr 16, 2007 05:08 pm Saviour Machine! YES! Them and VNV Nation might be my top christian acts.
Apr 16, 2007 06:11 pm lol wow, this is good stuff...
my whole point of the 'genera' thing, is there is no rules, genera comes from the root word general as in 'a general area' the lines are not rigid....so it's a moot point §=oP
as for gramar, i'm from tennessee so all proper gramar rules do not apply! ain't got be havin' no gramar. §=oP
and Pantera is most definately metal! i donno what the heck you consider it.
Apr 16, 2007 06:28 pm With "Vulgar display of power" and so forth they stepped it up, but imho, "Cowbows from Hell" is metal indeed.
Apr 17, 2007 10:44 am Nice.All in good fun.But still,I would not like it if anyone had an EASY time sticking my music in a genere.I still feel that any music or song that sits NEATLY in a genera is plagiarism to a degree.
Apr 17, 2007 11:08 am GENRE people, it's GENRE.
Okay, seriously i'll stop now.
But it is Genre.
Apr 17, 2007 12:13 pm #uh... parental advisory#
My, my, my, my spelling hits me so hard
Makes me say oh my Lord
Thank you for blessing me
With a mind to rhyme and two type neet
Feels good when you know you're down
A superpro paid member from C-town
And I'm known
as such
And this is a post uh you can't block
I told you newbie,can't block this
Yeah, that's how we livin' and ya know,
can't read this
Look in my eyes man, can't reply this
Yo let me bust the funky BBS, you can’t delete this
Fresh new mouse and keys
You got it like that now you know wanna post
So move in your seat
And download a fly girl and catch this beat
While it's downloadn' hold on
Pump a little bit and let them know it's going on
Like that, like that
Cold on a mission so fall on back
Let 'em know that you're too much
And this is a post uh they can't touch
Yo I told you, can't post this
Why you standing there man, can't read this
Yo sound the bell school is in sucker
, can't post this
Give me a song or mp3
Making no money that's what I'm giving 'em
Now they know
You talk about the Grammar instead of talking ‘bout a show
That's hyped and tight
Modders are sweatin' so pass them a wipe
Or a FAQ to learn
What it's gonna take for the RIAA to burn
The charts legit
Either work hard or you might litigate
That's word because you know
Can't read this
Can't post this
Break it down!
(A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-I)
(J-K-L-M-N-oh-P-Q-R)
Stop! Grammar time!
Go with the flow it is said
If you can't read this then you probably are dead
So wave your hands in the air
Bust a few keys run your fingers through your hair
This is it for a winner
Reply to this and you're gonna get thinner
Now move slide your rump
Just for a minute let's all post like Forest Gump
Gump Gump Gump yeah, you can't read this
Look man, can't post this
You'll probably get blocked boy 'cause you know you can't,can't write this
Ring the bell school's back in, break it down!
(A-E-I-O-U-and-some-times-Y)
(A-E-I-O-U-and-some-times-Y)
Stop! Grammar time!
Can't post this
Can't read this
Can't write this
Break it down!
(A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H-I)
(J-K-L-M-N-oh-P-Q-R)
Stop! Grammar time!
Every time you see me, that's Grammar just so type
I'm dope on the listserv and I'm magic on the net
Now why would I ever stop doing this
With others makin' records that just don’t hit
I toured around the county from London (Ohio) to Commercial Point (Ohio)
It's Grammar go Grammar MC Grammar Yo Grammar and the rest can go and say
Can't post this
Can't read this
Can't write this
Yea, Can't block this
I told you, can't post this
Too hype can't read this
Get me outta here, you can't write this
Apr 17, 2007 04:05 pm Take it easy.Are you the spelling police?.Because I know you are not the grammer police.It is a very rare person who uses the English language flawlessly.So before you preach,practice.
Apr 17, 2007 04:16 pm WoW! interesting
Anyway WhoDaddy! Good for you! I'm starting to get tangentialy involved with another Christian circuit with Lou Gram, Mark Farner and such involved. I think it's fabulous. I'm real tired of the standard self seeking R&R.
Apr 18, 2007 05:19 am Zek, did you write that? That's pretty cool.
Apr 18, 2007 08:44 am yep, and origional spoof.
Apr 19, 2007 02:03 am Christian metal?.Really?.I thought I'd heard it all.I guess Stryper could be the ones to blame.
Apr 20, 2007 09:42 pm No one can beat my bad grammar. I miss use the poor apostrophe all the time. I'm probably the worst offender of all.
And yes it is genre, not jonera. :-)
As well it is colour, is it knot?
Apr 21, 2007 03:59 am OK, did I just find the new easter egg code? Zek's April 10 post was suggestive. Is this a hint that we may be able to get away with HTML or image links in our posts? If so, trust me that I won't be doing YouTubes.
Apr 21, 2007 07:09 am Yeah, this thread shows a bit of it...no, you can't use HTML...the forum will automatically see a few things...images, youtubes and google videos, and automatically display them.
Herb wins.
Apr 21, 2007 07:23 am Wooo... Do I get the new dB Masters poster?
Apr 21, 2007 08:18 am holy poo! I hope all of those didn't start playing like they do on myspace! :) (I use flashblock)
but it'll be nice to finally post images.
Apr 21, 2007 08:35 am No, they don't autoplay, if they did I wouldn't have added the parsing option.
Apr 21, 2007 09:14 am 
[size=5]Testing, 1, 2...[/size]
Apr 21, 2007 09:38 am Funny guy...
Besides, I don't have glasses any more and my hair is a lot shorter...
Apr 21, 2007 10:07 am Maybe this wasn't such a great idea...at least he made me the guy that's winning :-)
Apr 21, 2007 10:22 am ...one thing... it seems since the update that a google ad
pagead2.googlesyndication.com
never finishes loading.
Apr 21, 2007 10:37 am they are all finishing for me...they prolly finish after all the forum content finishes...not sure. I'll keep an eye on it tho.
Apr 21, 2007 11:50 am All seriousness aside Dan.. I don't know about the rest of these weirdos, but I appreciate all your hard work. The ins and outs of running a Web site would be more than this short-tempered fool could handle. Hats off to ya, man.
Err, I Googled "hats off" and this is the best I could come up with..
Apr 21, 2007 01:57 pm well, thats a pretty good breast...er, best, in my boob...er, book.
Apr 22, 2007 08:08 am Quote:
i got to play with a neve 9098i board, and real f'n LA-2A's and 1176's
Mmmmmmmmmm :-)(1176's, though the cleavage is worth a mention)
Apr 22, 2007 05:04 pm dB, I think you have created a monster. Although I can see a lot of good stuff coming from this. diagrams when needed right in a thread, How friggin cool is that gonna be. And indeed, new gear porn or info pix right in the thread. This will be interesting to see how it pans out really.
And ya Herb congrats for being the first to catch up. but ya, dB gots hair almost as short as mine now.
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