Yamaha Mixing Board into Delta 1010LT PCI Card Help
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Posted on Mar 15, 2007 01:51 pm
Simonat20
Member Since: Mar 15, 2007
First i want to to say that I was very excited to find this community. Reading the threads, it looks like it's packed with great info.
I know the web is inundated with threads about this quagmire of a card. I think the reason I haven't gotten anything to work so far has something to do with the flexibility of the setup. However, I've had this card for nearly a week with severely unfortunate luck and would appreciate any help I can get in getting this thing on it's feet for my purposes.
1) Setup_
I'm running an AT2020 condenser mic into mono channel 1 of a Yamaha MG10/2 mixing board. I'm then running two rca cables from "Rec Out" of the board into rca channels 3/4 into the back of a Delta 1010LT.
To monitor, I've taken output RCA channels 1/2 into a RCA Y adapter (rca fem>1/8fem.)I have a little radio shack headphone signal splitter that has 3 channels, two of which I use to plug into a Logitech 5.1 speaker system minus the sub, the last I plug in a pair of Sennheiser headphones.
the driver version of my Delta is: 5.10.00.0052
the panel version is: 1.03.26-2.6.00
My OS is WindowsXP SP2
The recording application is: Adobe Audition 2.0
2)Recording Objective_
All I need to do is record while monitoring signals for proceeding tracks, with playback not bleeding into the next track.
Now the question...
Can someone step me through the Sound Properties setup for this type of config, as well as
a way to setup the HW Settings/PatchbayRouter/Mon Mixer in a way that will achieve this type of recording?
I think if someone could show me how to do this once, I could figure out how the system works.. but there's definitely a learning curve to becoming familiar with it.
big thanks!
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BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Mar 15, 2007 02:16 pm Simonat20, welcome to HRC.
I have a couple of questions/suggestions. First off, does the headphone splitter have a battery in it? If so then it is actually a headphone amp of sorts and the signal is likely to be too hot for the Logitech. It should be passive and not active as the Logitech is already powered.
Regarding the M-Audio mixer GUI, if you want to monitor Audition with effects etc then make sure that the channel hardware is selected on WAV out in the M-Audio GUI. Then all you should have to do in Audition is arm and record your first track. Then remember to un-arm that track. Then arm the second track and record. You should hear the 1st track playing while the new track records.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Mar 15, 2007 02:31 pm Hey there Simon. I have a yama mg16/4, and used to have a 1010lt, so I'll let you in on what I did.
Mic into the mixer, is fine. I did this.
Now, on the back of the mixer, there's a channel insert jack. Take a 1/4" TS (mono) jack and plug into the channel insert up to the first click. Not all the way into the jack (2 clicks), just the first stop.
This will tap signal from the mixer channel, right after the preamp, but before the eq, fader, sum amp, etc. This way you also don't have these other components in your signal chain, so it's clearer.
Plug the other end of this cable into input 3 of your 1010lt. You'll need a 1/4" TS -> RCA jumper cable. Hosa makes nice ones, that have 8 channels. You won't need 8, but they can be used for mixer -> card, and for card -> mixer.
From the 1010lt, plug RCA jacks into the output 1 & 2 (left and right) and then the other ends into the channel 9 and 10. This will send your PC's signal back to mixer, so you can hear your previously recorded tracks.
Plug your monitoring solution (speakers, amp, etc) into the main outs of the mixer.
In this fashion, you're listening to your mic signal through the normal action of the mixer: preamp, eq, fader, sum amp, mains out.
Mic signal to get recorded gets sent out the channel insert, to the computer.
Plus, you're also listening to your previously recorded tracks via channel 9 & 10 of the mixer, which also feeds to the mains out.
Plug 1 headphone into the headphone output on the mixer, so you can hear all of it without using the monitors.
I think you'd have to engineer something from CR-out, or Tape out, for a second headphones, but it shouldn't be hard.
It's worked great for me, and I think there's a few others using that type of setup as well.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Mar 15, 2007 02:35 pm Oh yeah, you'd probably want to NOT monitor your incoming signal from inside the software. Let the mixer send the signal to your monitoring solution.
If you want to add effects to the incoming mic signal, then you'd drop the fader for channel 1, so you don't hear the incoming signal through the channel 1, but instead, tell the software that you want to monitor the incoming signal. This will send the effects-laden signal back out the outputs of the 1010lt, along with the other tracks.
Mar 15, 2007 04:19 pm Duly Noted sir, yes it is powered...i'll have to get something different to run the speakers, I s'pose, thanks.
Mar 15, 2007 04:23 pm Thanks pjk, I'm not sure whether or not I have a jack like you described on the back of that mixer, since it's quite a bit smaller than the 16/4, but I'll give it a peep as soon as I get home from work.. the theory behind what your saying here sounds great! Now to try...
I'll keep this thread updated with how it works..
thanks guys.
out of curiosity, what kind of system are you running currently pjk?
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Mar 15, 2007 05:01 pm Do you have an headphone out on your Logitech speakers? I have one on my Altec Lansings. If so, you could plug in the Logitech's into the mixer and then if you need heaphones you could just plug them into the speakers. Of course if you need both at the same time this won't work.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Mar 15, 2007 05:57 pm I looked online, and yes, your two first channels have insert points, so it should work fine.
I'm still using a mg16/4, replacing it after a fire. I've replaced the 1010lt with an ESI ESP1010. I was looking to get an outboard box, to replace my 1010lt. The delta 1010 didn't have as good of numbers as the ESI 1010, and noize2u and dB were both very impressed with the ESI offerings, so I went with it.
You can look in my profile, to see my list of gear.
Mar 15, 2007 07:05 pm thanks again pjk, i admit the 1010LT was an impulse buy inspired out of sheer wonderment of what it could do in comparison to my previous Creative SB Live card.
I'm glancing at the mixing board manual right now to clarify the terminology, (and so i don't end up frying myself) do insert points mean the same thing as I/O inputs?
Just as well, you mentioned going straight out with one 1/4" cable to the back of the card earlier. However, and if we're still thinking I/O out, the manual suggests a "special" cable when taking the signal out; verbatim (from manual):
INSERT I/O Jacks (CHs 1, 2)
These are unbalanced phone-type input/output jacks. Each of these jacks is positioned between the equalizer and channel fader of the corresponding input channel. These jacks can be
used to independently connect these channels to devices such as graphic equalizers, compressors, and noise filters. These are TRS (tip, ring, sleeve) phone jacks that support bidirectional
operation. Connection to an INSERT I/O jack requires a special separately-sold insertion cable such as illustrated below.
Illustration is a drawing of a trs input 1/4" > dual trs outputs.
Also, nobody's fielded the question in regards to the setup done in the control panel to "Sounds and Audio Devices," not to be mistaken for the "M-Audio Delta Audio" setup.. of which I still have a couple questions for.
I really appreciate the help people, and hope that this will come in handy for other noobs...
gonna go try the setup mentioned by pjk, and post the results.
Mar 15, 2007 09:59 pm Hey.. followed those directions exactly, and ended up with a fantastic setup! Monitoring from outside the computer has never been an option for me, but now it's a mainstay.
Thanks pjk and BH for the outstanding advice..
Where I was once in a confusing quagmire, I'm now only seeing some cool new options.
One of them including my BOSS loop-station and that 7/8 channel of the yamaha.... :-)
again... can't be more thankful for the tips!
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Mar 16, 2007 08:59 am sweet, it's been a pretty good setup for me.
one caveat, you can't use an outboard compressor, or EQ in the insert jack now, cause it's being used for direct out.
For me, it's not an issue, and I could probably figure out a way to get around it, if I needed to.
But for now, it's working quite well.
My 16/4 manual had a diagram of the insert topology: 1/4" TRS ---> (2) 1/4" TS cable. This was to send signal out on one half of the TRS to 1 TS, then return signal on 1 TS back into the other half of the TRS. Hope that made sense. If you insert the TRS all the way, you 'Insert' the cable (and whatever it's hooked to) into the signal chain, and everything in that channel has to go through the device. If you don't press the jack all the way in, you can tap signal, but not break the normal flow of signal through the mixer.
Also, if you wanted to get more involved, you could send two more channels out the Mains Left and Right, but you'd have to monitor from the 1010lt, instead of the mixer. It's an option, anyway.
Have fun!
Mar 17, 2007 03:28 am It's so much more convenient than my previous setup.. as I was wiring the cables.. i giggled...a little.. to myself.
I would mention something about that fx return..i have a little multi-fx proc. called the lexicon mx 200, has a bunch of little options in the back to "out" from:
midi's in out/thru as well as S/PDIF in and out.... it has a mono in/out 1/4"..usb out..i guess it will also wash your vinyl sidingon a hot summer day! On board is a Compressor, DeEsser, and some gated verb options.. i mean.. if i'm that desperate, i'll plug it in. Generally, i can just wait to monitor a VST plugin. But it's a fun rack, cuz i enjoy it immensely with or without a DAW.
i'm pretty sure I can at least mono some effects into that card from the sweet signal you pointed me out. Again thanks, i was never wary at all of the "trs code" of the yamaha boards.. but as I dug around in the manual, sure enough... stuff i didn't know before popped out. Not going to brag on Yamaha, as I have no basis for comparison, but for a 10/2 board, under $100, i'm definitely a satisfied customer. (so are my friends)
And yes I will have fun.. sound=fun.
just ask my irritated neighbors!!
lol
