just wondering...
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Posted on Jan 01, 2003 04:22 am
stupe
Member Since: Apr 03, 2002
why do some people always want to have two of the same large diaphragm condensor mics? like they want two mk319's or two neumann tlm103's. i cant think of any application in my situation where i would be recording two sources at the same time with these mics except for drum overheads. sometimes they say they get them for stereo imaging, but i wonder how that applies to audio recording (like unless someone records orchestra's and choirs a lot). in conclusion, is it really necessary to buy a second identical matched pair of your favorite vocal mic or is it just luxury?
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Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 01, 2003 03:42 pm For a mic like the 319, the only reason to have a pair is becuase you like them, as I do. for matched pair's you would turn to Oktava's MK-012 as these would be used in situation's where you could use a matched pair. Some case's of miccing an amp for example would use one mic on axis with the speaker and the other just off axis. Same can be said for vocal's, percusion, and other instrument's that can be micced. For instance, Acuostic Guitar, one mic out from the sound hole slightly off axis, and one mic slightly up the neck sound's very goodl. So yes, 2 mic's can be a luxury, but it can also be very well used.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Jan 02, 2003 09:56 am Few months ago had three vocalists working together in the dog house. Headphones with instrumental portion recorded. They lost spontenaity and enthusiasm working seperately. Using three mics, I was able to allow them to work off each other and yet still maintain a good degree of mix control or lack of bleed over. Not perfection but the best possible scenerio for the folks involved. I often do a fair amount of work on vocals in the wave editor to emphisise and de-emphisise little things. One of the ladies had little breath control between phrases and I had to pull that down quiet a bit.
stupeMember
Since: Apr 03, 2002
Jan 02, 2003 10:12 pm just wondering again. what are the advantages to having a digital mixer as opposed to just having a computer and a soundcard? ive yet to participate in the digital mixer craze to budget reasons and lack of understanding. why would someone go out and buy two O2R's when they can just buy two DELTAL 1010's and use their computer to mix? and what do ADAT CARDS do for a digital mixer?
juesContributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002
Jan 04, 2003 11:29 am People buy digital mixers for many reasons - but one of the main reason's is the fact that it doesn't reply on a PC based D.A.W. - some people don't have much luck with PC's and can't be arsed to mess about with them to make them work. A digital Mixer (like the Makie D8B) offers nearly all of the features of a PC based solution along with the distinct advantage of REAL 100mm faders and the added garuntee that it will rarley go "tits-up".
I combine analouge and digital in my studio, using the PC with 3 Delta 410's linked to my Behringer Console - I like working this way, but again, as with many things, it's all down to personal preference.
stupeMember
Since: Apr 03, 2002
Jan 09, 2003 03:22 am what is an adat card on a digital mixer
juesContributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002
Jan 09, 2003 08:47 am A-DAT cards provide a physical bridge to A-DAT compatible hardware.
For example, you may have something like a Focusrite OctoPre (8 pristene XLR mic Pre-Amps) - this device ouputs using the A-DAT Light Pipe Standard. As a result you will need an A-DAT input on your Digital Mixer.
Digital Mixers will usually come with at least one A-DAT I/O as standard (each A-DAT I/O offers 8 out and 8 in simultaneously) - additional cards can be purchased to increase the connectivity.
Does that answer your question?
jues.
stupeMember
Since: Apr 03, 2002
Jan 09, 2003 05:32 pm thanks jues. so if i dont use adats then it would not apply to me right?
juesContributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002
Jan 09, 2003 07:11 pm If you have no intention of using any A-DAT specced gear, then no.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Jan 09, 2003 11:08 pm Adat protocal / spec seems to be loosing ground as computer based solutions gain ground. Even Adat's latest offerings are merely dedicated computers which record mac and pc based files to hard drive. These files can then be transfered via ethernet to a computer for mix down / mastering. Very handy and protable solution. Check out the Adat HD24 for example. Relitively competitive pricing for the number of tracks that can be collected in a nice mobile rack package.
stupeMember
Since: Apr 03, 2002
Jan 10, 2003 12:47 am walt. ive been checking out the alesis hd24 for a while now and it seems like a really good deal. my only issue with it is that it doesnt do 96k rates and also the fact that you dont get to see your tracks and the waveforms like with pc hard disk multitrack recording
juesContributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002
Jan 10, 2003 02:48 am Stupe,
Mackie do a similar product (I think it's called the HR-24) which allows you to plug a mouse and monitor into the back of it. This then enables you to see the waveforms and do splicing jobs.
If you want that "PC, but not a PC" feel, then maybe look at the D8B by Mackie, very expensive, but then again very cool.
Oh and for the record, A-DAT Bridges are not so much hardware, as just another multiple channel digital audio interface / bridge. I wouldn't say that is "loosing ground" seeing as there aren't exactly many competitors ;)
jues.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Jan 10, 2003 08:34 am Actually, the ADAT24 is more of a collector or strickly recorder in my set up and there is an option for 96KHz which limitis the channels to 12 on the machine. My only complaint with the Adat is that the ethernet is 10Mb and not 100. In my studio the Adat replaces all of the sound cards or A to D converters. I record on the Adat then transfer the files to my PC via ethernet for all editing mixing mastering etc. You figgure 24 high quality A/D converters in a neat simple package and the numbers work out pretty good. And yes I do see the Adat transfer protocal loosing ground with this approach. I think this is why adat moved to include the ethernet port and provide pc and mac compatable file storage so that the old adat pipes and converters are no longer necessary. Simply no conversion necessary at all. I like the Adat also because it does not offer much in the way of editing, effects, etc. as all of that is better achieved on the computer post capture. This is really going back to the analog tape topography where there is a digital media used to "record" instead of an analog media.
stupeMember
Since: Apr 03, 2002
Jan 11, 2003 03:11 am thanks walt and jues. i had another question. why do major recording studios have those $80,000 70 track NEVE/SSL/etc consoles when they only record like 10 tracks at a time and most times less? my guess is that they do everything hardware and no pc multitracking.
juesContributor
Since: Dec 30, 2002
Jan 11, 2003 07:49 am Because they have money to burn - and quite frankly, wouldn't you if you had a studio that size? ;)
Jan 11, 2003 07:50 am I have only recorded in a professional studio a couple time, and I never used less than about 20-24 tracks even for one three-piece band I was in...
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Jan 11, 2003 09:11 am Yup yup, All abour production recording. They can capture each instrument a dozen different ways on each take. Then decide later which mix they want. Time is money, yada yada. The project studio or home studio has to be a little more thoughtfull but can achieve either equal or better results. Frankly I use production media as a low end standard. If I can't do better, I am doing something wrong or at least not well enough.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Jan 20, 2003 06:08 pm Also, to add a bit here. The Neve and SSL console's and the like are mostly what is refered to as split console's. Meaning they serve 2 purpose's. One side of the console is for input's from whatever is being recorded, the other side, usually the same amount of channel's but sometime's less, are for playback and bouncing. That is why they can sit and listen to the mix 100 differant way's strictly by automating the mute's and solo's for each track recorded. Most of those console's are fully automated, meaning every slider and button can move itself, by following what the enginer did the pass before, only without him touching it.
And by the way, if you find me one with 70 channel's for $70.000.00 let me know, because that would be a really good bargain. Some of those console's like the Neve, can run $10.000.00 just for one channel strip, depending on how it is set up.
stupeMember
Since: Apr 03, 2002
Jan 29, 2003 03:19 am hi guys. probably a stupid question, but i have very little knowledge with digital mixers. i was just wondering, with digital mixers how do they record? do they have the ability to record by themselves standalone (like with a built in hd) or do you have to connect the adat cards to them to record to adat tapes. or do digital mixers just act the same as analog mixers (where you have to plug them into a recorder or some sort) but just with an lcd screen and some lights?
