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Posted on Oct 08, 2006 05:39 am
itsmw
Member Since: Oct 06, 2006
I'm new to this, if I load a midi in Sonar, can I have it where the arragements and notes are played with my board using REAL sounds from my board instead of midi?
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Oct 08, 2006 07:31 am what "board" are we talking about here?
you can use MIDI to trigger real audio samples if thats what you mean, not necessarily having to use MIDI sounds.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 08, 2006 11:24 am IF by Board you mean a keyboard/synth that can recieve midi, then yes you can. IF you mean a mixer then no that wont do it.
You will need to set up a midi track to go to a software synth, which there are several of depending on which version of SOnar you have.
Give a little more detail and we'll see if we can help you out here.
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 08, 2006 01:04 pm Yeah, I just wanna have the music information, the notes, arrangements sent to the board then the board use it's real sounds to play the music information. Does that make sense?
I am using a KORG X50 Synthesizer, I have MIDI I/O hooked up, as well as it's USB port.
I have Cubase SX3, Cubase LE, Sonar LE - any of these do the trick?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
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Oct 08, 2006 01:36 pm Well all of those will have midi i/o capability. You simply need to assing the midi input and output ports to the proper channel's in whichever recording app you choose and your good to go.
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 08, 2006 05:11 pm that simple? nice! so once I do that, it'll play the midi but using the real samples from my board?
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 08, 2006 06:36 pm So, I make sure that my board is the MIDI I/O, then load a 16 track MIDI Sequencer in Cubase or Sonar and then it'll play the midi with the onboard real samples?
Anyone else have a korg x50?
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 08, 2006 08:21 pm If your Korg is capable of playing 16 differant channels of midi at once then yes, your all set to go. You will have to make sure and assing each midi track's channel to a differant midi channel number 1 through 16 though. Otherwise you will get a very messed up sound comeoing from it while it try's to play all the instruments with one sound.
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 09, 2006 01:18 am Oh okay, thanks a lot man. Yeah, it doesn't have it's own sequencer, but it can be used with an external one for 16 track sequencing with software.
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 09, 2006 01:24 am like this?
Doesn't allow me to select any banks or anything in Sonar, but it does in Cubase SX 3.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 09, 2006 05:20 pm Go to Cakewalks website and look for the []bintrument .ins[/b] files. They have a whole load of Korg stuff and I know there is an insrument data file for the X50. You simply load that into the instrument defanitions in Sonar and your good to go. In fact I think if you look at your install disc it is probably in the Korg files allready loaded on the disc. But you would have to select it when installing and most people dont bother. But that will let you select banks and pathces from Sonar.
Otherwise simple choose by the generic numbers and it will work the same. It just wont tell you the exact patch names.
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 09, 2006 07:33 pm Could you help direct me to []bintrument .ins files? I've looked but cant find them
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 09, 2006 07:39 pm found it, but there isn't one for the x50 :(
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 09, 2006 08:14 pm I can see the banks and stuff in Cubase LE, but they aren't named, so I have to go through there finding the instrument by accident lol but atleast it works
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 09, 2006 10:14 pm I don't think it's set right, it sounds like midi sounds and I know my board has awesome sounds ... sounds like midi, I must be doing something wrong.
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 10, 2006 05:35 am Ok, I think I got it. I accidently figured out that the channels were set to use the board's GM bank instead of the real A B C D sound banks. So, while in Multi mode, I need to go to each channel and put it on one of the A B C D banks for real sounds, it gets put on GM by default which I now see why I was getting MIDI sounding results.
I just now need to figure out why when I stopped and go to reply the sound changes and doesn't stay on the one I wanted. Not to mention being able to export the audio in Cubase, MP3's are still empty. the EMU 0404 is tricky.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
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Oct 10, 2006 06:11 pm Go to this page, ftp://ftp.cakewalk.com/pub/InstrumentDefinitions/ and download the generic korg.zip file. It should contain the x50.ins file. Then you simply go to the intruments dropeown menu, follow it through untill you get to the import .ins section and import the instrument file and your good to go. This is in Sonar by the way. You can also create your own there as well if yo have the patch list and can type it in. IN Cubase I know it is way difficult to create your own instrument files.
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 10, 2006 11:50 pm Thanks Noize
itsmwMember
Since: Oct 06, 2006
Oct 11, 2006 12:07 am Ah, no X50, but it's ok, I have figured a way to change the patches from GM to the real banks A B C D using the board in Multi mode.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 11, 2006 04:42 pm Well thats a bummer. But as I stated above you can write your own instrument defanition file. There is a tutorial on it, as well as a chapter in the manual and also in the help files right in Sonar.
It is very easy to do, its just it takes some time to type it all in and enter it.