Jul 31, 2006 03:30 pm You will have to apply your fx to the individual tracks. The bus fx will affect the drum kit as if it was one track.
Adobe Audition Question - %'s to Bus?
Posted on Jul 31, 2006 02:14 pm
CptTripps
Czar of Turd Polish
Member Since: Jun 20, 2006
Ok, so this post is kinda aimed at Dragonorchid as I'm trying to do something she mentioned on her site.
It is in regards to sending signals to a bus. I always create a bus track for the drums to apply my reverb. I am wondering how I specify percentages? I want the kick to recieve a different amount of reverb vs. the snare and OH's. I am an FX send/Bus dummy when it comes to this. Any help would be appreciated.
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Jul 31, 2006 03:30 pm You will have to apply your fx to the individual tracks. The bus fx will affect the drum kit as if it was one track.
Jul 31, 2006 04:58 pm I think it had something to do with the FX sends though. Like the track itself would be sent to the master and then the FX send went to the bus?
I don't know what exactly she was talking about, but from what I got she was not applying the reverb on each channel and had varying degrees of reverb using only one bus.
Jul 31, 2006 05:28 pm Hmm, I haven't really used the sends that much. This is how I do it.
I create a drum bus like you are doing. I route all the drum tracks to the drum bus. I then add things like reverb and compression on the snare, gate the kick... that sort of thing on the individual tracks. Then I use the drum bus for things like the overall volume of the drums in the mix or if I want to add a bit of verb to the drums etc. I have the drum bus sent to the master.
I know this is not what you are asking. Right or wrong, I don't know, this is just the way I do it.
I'm sure that dragonorchid is your best source for this info but I thought I would chime in anyways.
Jul 31, 2006 06:05 pm Appreciated. You are doing it the same way I have been for a while now. I figured I'd try what she was talking about though.
I did try doing an FX send on the kick. The FX send went to the drums bus, and the track itself went to the master. So my track sent to the master was at +3db, I then set the FX send on the kick drum to 0db. It sounded pretty good but I would love to make sense of what she's saying as her mixes sound really good.
Thanks for the chimes :)
Jul 31, 2006 07:54 pm I know how to do what your talking about in Sonar, but am not familier with AA at all and I think the bussing architecture is slightly differant for the aux sends.
Jul 31, 2006 09:50 pm If you're sending all parts of the drum kit to a single buss for reverb or whatever you can control the level of the send and the panning but that is about all you can do, you can't control the amount of reverb (at the plugin) applied to each indivdual part of the kit unless you either put the reverb on the kick track itself, or create a separate buss for the kick which would be kind of pointless. But by varying the level of the send you can in a round about way control the amount of reverb, by it being louder or softer than other parts of the kit sent to the buss.
The way I do it is to make the buss effect 100% wet and then use the buss fader to control the amount of reverb that is heard.
I don't think you could do it in Sonar either as Sonar's sends/busses work very much like AA's, without putting a separate reverb on the each part of the kit you wanted different amounts of reverb on, you would need a reverb plugin that accepted more than stereo input.
Dan
Jul 31, 2006 10:47 pm OD, I'll have to look at how I have done it in the past. But I set up a single reverb and then set up the tracks for send and simply adjust the amount of signal for wet or dry. I know it takes some creative buss building to do it. But I have done it in the past using a single processor plug.
I know the bussing architecture in Sonar 5 was a huge issue for Cakewalk. They wanted it to be able to be set up as if it were a full on console. With all the available routing options you would have with an SSL or Neve or whatever. I'll dig up a project with the bussing and then post how I had it routed.
Jul 31, 2006 11:12 pm Even with Hardware I don't see how your going to get a different % wetness for individual parts of the kit if they are all going to the same reverb (in this case). The only thing you would have control over, hardware or software is the signal level/panning which would have the effect of making the reverb appear stronger on a given instrument if the send signal is higher in relation to the other instruments going to that same reverb.
Dan
Jul 31, 2006 11:26 pm When using a full on desk I simply reduce or increase the send and return going to a particular track. That is what gives the perception of more or less of the reverb on each track. So ya, your right on that after I start looking at it. It is really only an illusion of the wetness of each track.
I had a quick look at one set up in Sonar and it isnt the way I thought it was. I'll find the one that I messed with.
But your right in the fact it isnt really sending a true mutli channel signal so to speak.
I think the reverb I am thinking of is the Lexicon that came with Sonar 4 PE. It had a multi i/o set up, but I dont think I have tried it in 5. Now with the freeze function working so well I simply plop on as many as I need if they have to seperate settings and freeze the track when the load gets to heavy.
Aug 01, 2006 12:15 pm Played with it some more.
I think I stated this somewhat confusing as I was confused.
Bus is set up 100% wet as OD suggested.
Track 1 = EQ and Compression
Track 1 FX send is set to pre-fader and sent to the bus at a lower volume than track 1 is at.
I'm thinking what she meant is exactly how OD said. I'm just controlling how much of of the reverb signal is heard vs. the actuall percentage of wet/dry. This is the only way I found to get varying degrees of reverb (to the ear anyway) on the different drums using one bus. Definitely sounds cool though, and I learned something about sends.
Sure wish she'd answer for some clarification though :)
Aug 02, 2006 01:05 am You could also combine some automation with it for even more dramatic effect CptTripps.
Dan
Aug 02, 2006 01:00 pm Haven't used the automation yet. I'm thinking I made need to at this point.
I have a new mix with two guitars. But guitars seem weird when you compress them. Even though higher notes are loud they are at a lower db, therefore the compressor seems to make them even louder when really I need to bring the lower notes/chunky stuff up. Any suggestions/preactices I should be doing?
Aug 02, 2006 07:10 pm Well when you want to use compression in that manner don't add any or use less make up gain, just adjust the compressor to cut the loud stuff and leave the quiet stuff alone then you can use the channel fader to bring the track up to the volume you need. If it still isn't getting what you want then you need to use some EQ to roll off the bottom some, or a multiband compressor is also helpful in those instances.
Dan
Aug 03, 2006 02:33 am Cool, it's coming right along. What about guitar solo's? What do yall do to make em sound good and fit. Should I dbl track/pan it?
Aug 03, 2006 02:44 am I usually double track solo's, sometimes even triple so I have a take for each side of the stereo spectrum. I usually pan the main track close to center, with the dbl'd track off to one or the other side and volume adjusted to suit the effect you want. As for how much that depends on the effect I'm going after, you just have to play around with it and see what sounds best to you. If you don't want it obvious that it's double tracked then you'd probably want to keep the panning away from the main track small.
Dan
Aug 03, 2006 02:08 pm Cool, thanks again. Once I can actually make a cool solo I'll give it a shot :)
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