Bass drum examples. Anyone got some?

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Member Since: Sep 23, 2005

Okay. If you're familiar with Dream Theater, you'll probably agree that Mike Portnoy has one helluva sound to his drums, and his bass drums are what I'm really interested in probing.

I've heard plenty of albums with very different sounding bass drums. Examples: Dave Lombardo's very quick yet booming kicks in Slayer. Bob Daisley's subdued and deep kicks with Ozzy's first two solo albums. Lars Ulrich's sharp attack and twappy punch on MetallicA's ...And Justice For All. Ray Herrera's tight-as-all-getout kicks in Fear Factory (yeah I know they're digital in the studio). Most modern power metal drums like Manticora or Iced Earth or Dragonforce with their very high-pitched attack and lotsa low end underneath, which helps with ultra-fast playing so you can actually hear their attack.

But of all the kick drums I've heard through the years, Mike Portnoy's sounds so damn perfect. They sound booming strong slow and steady for a basic rock beat, and accurate and tight for speed metal style playing and fast triplet fills. Don't have an example handy, but there's a Google Video of some video game that has John Petrucci's solo material as a soundtrack, and it's the best example of Portnoy's drums that I can find online right now. Listen to how precise and quick, yet deep and heavy his kicks sound during his improv fills in the intro.






I wanna learn a bit more about the differences between a before and after example. What does a natural properly setup and tuned bass drum with good quality heads and good pedal beaters sound like. What does a compressed, gated, EQ'ed, cleaned up final product sound like.

Does anyone have any examples? Can someone do up an example? It's one thing to talk about frequencies, and compression settings, and mix levels, but to hear the actual before and after sound samples is something I've never been able to compare. I think it'll be far more helpful that way. Cuz you can probably follow the changes when you hear the actual results from beginning to end.

Who's with me on this one?

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Since: Apr 03, 2002


Feb 09, 2006 09:22 am

Bob Daisley was Ozzy's bass player, and a huge influence on me personally. I believe (and may be wrong, that Lee Kerslake played drums in that period, formerly of Uriah Heep...my memory may be failing though...

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Since: Sep 23, 2005


Feb 09, 2006 11:11 am

TIMMY!!! TIMMY TIMMY TIMMAAAAHRALARARALLLAGH!!! TIMMAH!!

Lee Kerslake.


And I'm a damn bass player and I get this screwed up.

Czar of Midi
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Since: Apr 04, 2002


Feb 10, 2006 01:19 am

For Mike Portnoys sound it is in the drums, heads and mic placement. As well as the way it is recorded. Full on compresion is used to give it that killer attack he gets. If you have ever seen the way his kit is micced it is very tight. And a lot of mics as well. His kit with Dream Theatre is huge and is one heck of an undertaking to mic it up. I believe there is a link on either his own site or the Tama site that give the kit list as well as the mic's used.

If I get some time I will try and find it.

But I agree completely that his sound is one of the best drum sounds ever recorded.

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