Jan 15, 2004 07:47 am I'll try to give it a go over the weekend...see what kinda riffs I can come up with...
Proposal for Collaboration on "The World's Best Song"
Posted on Jan 15, 2004 07:45 am
TheTincanbug
sloppy dice, drinks twice
Member Since: Aug 05, 2003
Would anyone be interested in collaborating on this song, entitled "The World's Best Song"? I wrote these lyrics and thought I had a grip on the music, but I've taken a few stabs at it and the only stuff I've got so far is the lyrics, vocal melody, basic song structure, and tempo. I also have an idea for a hook, in the chorus where it goes "...and we'll pay the radio stations to play along" (CHA-CHING! sound of cash register) "...it's the world's best song."
I can record a scratch version of the vocals (in key) along with a click track, and add in the sound effect in the chorus, and post that to use as a starting point if anyone's interested.
"The World's Best Song"
This song is about 4 minutes long
nothing controversial
it's universal
The lyric's rhyme is rhythmically strong
It's been computed
Then executed
This song is sure to be a hit
We'll climb the charts
Then we'll be rolling in it
There's even a lyric about love - that would be this one, actually
Do you love me baby?
I love you baby baby baby
C:
The booking agent knows this song's the bomb
And the record company knows they can't go wrong
The distributor knows the retail sales'll be strong
And we'll pay the radio station to play along
It's the world's best song
This is the part of the song
where we have to play
that same old verse again
Keep it simple, keep it short and sweet
and no avant guarde innovation
Don't stand out with hopes of being original
New ideas are scary, so blend in with the herd
And when you hear me singing breathlessly for you
It shows I really mean the words
C:
The booking agent knows this song's the bomb
And the record company knows they can't go wrong
The distributor knows the retail sales'll be strong
And we'll pay the radio station to play along
It's the world's best song
("insert solo here")
Now you know the song is almost done
as we repeat the verse again
Are you even hearing lyrics at this point?
Or just waiting for the chorus, so the song will end?
C:
The booking agent knows this song's the bomb
And the record company knows they can't go wrong
The distributor knows the retail sales'll be strong
And we'll pay the radio station to play along
It's the world's best song
...and it sounds like every other song
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Jan 15, 2004 07:47 am I'll try to give it a go over the weekend...see what kinda riffs I can come up with...
Jan 15, 2004 07:53 am Cool, man. :) I'll lay down that rough vocal/click scratch track Saturday morning and upload it to the collaboration section. Does it need to be 128k mp3 format?
Jan 15, 2004 07:54 am As I recall I put those requirements on it...but actually, I prolly won't use them for a bit...the music may dictate the vox more than the vox dictating the music...I am just gonna jam with the sound in my head first...
Jan 15, 2004 07:58 am I know, I'm working top-down on this one... That may be where I hit my writer's block. This seems to happen a lot whenever I write the lyrics first.... Anyway, I'll post what I've got so far. If you come up with something completely different, so be it, I'm not married to the vocal melody. The tempo should probably be close to what I've got, though, to make the lyrics fit.
Jan 15, 2004 02:08 pm I'll give a listen to it and see if I can come up with anything for it. :)
Dan
Jan 15, 2004 03:05 pm cool, guys. I'm looking forward to this. :)
Jan 15, 2004 09:58 pm TCbug, Im in as well. I got some boyscout stuff that will tie me up till Saturday afternoon, but Im with dB on messing with it as well. I think between us all we should be able to cope. And we sure cant let those lyrics go to waste.
Jan 16, 2004 07:26 am Yeah, I'll throw down that scratch track tomorrow morning... I'll sing it in the original key and if somebody goes somewhere else with it, you can always run it through a pitch shifter. I'll give it a good long lead-in with the click track, count down the bars on the track, then come in and sing with the existing song structure in mind. Later if someone comes up with an extended verse/chorus/bridge or whatever, or if it's in another key or something, I'll take the new accompanying track, and use that as a starting point to re-record the vocals/click in key, with the new structure.
Suggestions encouraged if someone has a different method, but this should probably work ok.
Jan 16, 2004 08:29 am when you get around to it mail me the tracks and I can do drums...
...I have a preference on playing drums last when I record.
peace
sam
[email protected]
Jan 16, 2004 09:07 am Hey, real drums! dig it. will do, sam.
Jan 16, 2004 09:20 am how do you guys usually do collabs online... start with one scratch track, add a real track, mix and export those into an mp3, then send that mp3 to others to jam to, and then send THEIR individual tracks back to the "mixer" individual? and just continue on in that fashion, adding "real" tracks of good takes by email and simply sending an exported mixdown mp3 to use while each person lays down their part? um... mp3's preserve timing accurately, right? they wouldn't, for example, play at *almost* identical rates on different computers, creating a timing problem when combined? Any input on this is requested and encouraged.
Jan 16, 2004 09:24 am I just send a link to anyone involved to download an mp3, give them the BPM rate of the song and such, they in turn, do their thang, send me a download link and then I get them, add them to my mix and there ya go...BPM's are usually very accurate from app to app...I have never had a problem unless somebody had a buying CMOS battery in their PC when recording it.
Jan 16, 2004 09:34 am heh heh, You know, 2 weeks ago I would have accepted that without comment, but when I tried to sync my pc with my drum machine not long ago, I set them at the same bpm and they were noticeably off from each other in 30 seconds. I'm afraid we'd end up with someone lagging. Do you see a problem with doing it the other way this time, where each mixdown of the whole mix just contained a click track? I would probably add the vocal cues ("1 2 3 4, 2 2 3 4, 3 2 3 4, 4 2, ok, chorus, 1 2 3 4..." etc.) to the track (at least at the intro) just to make following the structure easier. I just don't want to end up all out of kilter and waste a great track. Or am I being too paranoid?
Jan 16, 2004 09:38 am if you drum machine is an external device, as in NOT in your PC then you still need to make sure they are synced to the same clock or you are likely to have problems like that.
Jan 16, 2004 09:42 am oh... but in syncing pc clocks we wouldn't really have that problem, because their clocks are more accurate? That makes sense... ok, well... then I'll figure out the bpm tomorrow morning and post the number along with the track. I'll still use the click track with the scratch tracks, but it sounds like we won't need it later, so we'll just rely on syncing our bpms on each person's pc metronome. Cool. Although I may send out the mixdown w/ click for laying down the drums.
Jan 16, 2004 10:09 am i don't think it's that the PC's midi clock is more accurate so much as.. think of it as two players in a symphony following the same conductor.
Jan 16, 2004 11:57 am Does anyone have a favorite order that they like to do tracks in? I *usually* go with scratch vocals, guitar, bass, drums, leads, vocals. I don't really play much keyboard, so I don't have any preference on where that might come in. Who's interested in playing which instruments? I would like to do the singing and maybe drop a lead guitar on it, I could add hand drums too if it calls for that. I've also got a lot of other little percussion toys, but probably it won't call for them. Need a didgeridoo or kalimba, I'm your guy. :)
Obviously though, we'll see how it develops once you guys hear the scratch track and come up with accompaniments.
Jan 16, 2004 12:06 pm Sequence basic drum beat and arrangement, lay down rhythm guitar, take my lame attempt at vocals then do bass guitar. Then go back to the drums, add the fills, backbeats and such, redo the rhythm guitar to fit the full tune. In between all of that tweaking and generally screwing around with any DXi's or VSTi's involved...
Then go get my neighbor to do leads and presley or flame to do vocals...
Jan 16, 2004 02:07 pm Hey, I wouldn't be mad at taking an attempt at some back up vocals.
And if you need some slide whistle, pan pipes, or kazoo, I'm your man!
Jan 16, 2004 02:10 pm I always start with a click track, often a simple hat, kick, snare instead of an actual click, though sometimes I have the complete drum track done at the beginning. Some songs I put the bass next, some the rythm guitar(s). Then I do all the rest of the guitar parts. Then go back and put the drum final drum track in, and always dead last for me, are the vocals.
Dan
Jan 17, 2004 07:45 am ok, for some reason it seems to be impossible to record the metronome from my computer using cep2... first track will be without a click. Maybe it can be added later. :(
Jan 17, 2004 07:52 am For click tracks I always just use a closed highhat hit on the quarter notes in my soft-synth drum machine...do ya have that option?
Jan 17, 2004 08:34 am I dont think i'll be able to get the scratch track done today... baby just woke up... will be away from computer for the rest of the day, unfortunately. I'll probably get it tomorrow morning. I'm having some sort of dropout problem. As far as the metronome goes, I'm finding I can't seem to capture any sound by outputted by the computer itself - so no metronome til I get this figured out. :( tomorrow is another day
Jan 17, 2004 01:05 pm I just grab a hat sample, right click on it after putting it in a track, select loop properties, click on Enable Looping, select Beat Splicing as the method (if you want to change the tempo) and your all set, otherwise just leave it on Simple Looping No Gaps. If you need a sample let me know.
If you want to record sound from the computer you have to set the Record Input in the Windows mixer to Wav for wav samples/music, midi, for midi music (such as the click track in CEP), CD for CD music etc.
Dan
Jan 18, 2004 02:21 pm Regarding the tempo straying. You need to make sure your PC DAW is running as the master clock wether it is via midi or the audio clock which is really the best way to run the timing. And then make sure the outboard drum machine is running as the slave or non master so it will get sync from the DAW.
Jan 18, 2004 03:25 pm hmmm, i got drunk and did the tune. all by my one-sie. its bad, long and annoying. i have my moments though. its one take, and i didnt write down any musck, just played........if any one can dig it, its tincan. (just cause you wrote it)
heres the link
members.cox.net/craptune
just right click and save as.
now ill listen to what the pros have done
i knew if id listen first id chicken out!!!!!!
oh ya, the end... i was gonna say something profound, but............ i left it in cause it makes me roll man.
R rating for language at the end!!!!!
Jan 18, 2004 08:51 pm tony, I'm tripping out on this! :) I totally dig it. It's cool to hear a totally, 180 degree different take on it! This reminded me of Pink Floyd, a little, but original as hell. Nice, dude, it definitely brought a smile to my face. Great acoustic in that one, nice sound, too!
Jan 18, 2004 09:50 pm pink floyd, thats the stuff. meets poison or something. I just played the end for my wife, man we laughed. you can see how drunk i was..... thanks man. ill give it a shot this week working off youre template- if i can be constructive i will!!
Jan 19, 2004 07:43 pm I think there is a Pink Floyd feel there for sure. I heard a bridge into some heavy guitars and stuff while I was listening, gonna give it some thought and listen again.
Jan 28, 2004 09:57 am So has anyone had the chance to build on the scratch track I posted?
Jan 28, 2004 05:19 pm I tinkered a bit, but have been flogged at work. I have a free day this weekend and plan on working the My Gen thing and taking a crack at the perfect song as well.
Jan 28, 2004 07:16 pm I downloaded it but haven't had a chance to try anything yet. Wife roped me into tearing up the entry way (tile) and putting pergo down. <G>
I'll to work on it a bit tonight.
Dan
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