CDs: the wave of the future

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i've been thinking about something lately.

lots of peeps own mp3 playas these days. i have an 80 gig ipod video and i like it a lot. use it all the time. but the one place i don't typically use it is in my jeep. two reasons: inconvenient to get my faceplate and my ipod and load them into my cargo shorts (jeans are even worse)and the 80 gig offers too many choices. i get into the car and browse for 5 minutes. no idea what i want to hear.

i realized that we had it good back in the days where you'd just leave a tape in the tape deck for an entire summer. for me, those persistent albums were many. nirvana's bleach, stp's core, the singles soundtrack, danzig I-III, aic's dirt, and many more. you would really get to know every single note of those albums if you were too lazy to take the tape out. you'd get into your car, turn the key, and the album would play. these persistent albums would become soundtracks for the summer.

it's really hard to get that experience if you have an 80 gig ipod. there's little reason to listen to the same album again and again if you have a million choices each time. consequently, my ipod contains more than a few albums i barely know, or have given up on prematurely, or have never even listened to.

i decided i was going to start burning mp3 cd's for the car, because my stereo plays them. seven albums per disk or so, if you're lucky, and you can keep them in the car, maybe a few under the seat, and just listen to things you're seriously interested in, with no temptation to try something else.

i told my friend about this and he thoguht i had some kind of point anyway. but he also recommended just getting an ipod shuffle. load 10 or 20 albums on there. keep it with you, leave it clipped to your unwashed shorts for a week at a time. just plug yourself into the faceplate when you want music.

limit your options!

so that's what i did today, bought a lime green ipod shuffle. now that i have far fewer options, perhaps i'll actually start to listen to music again, and maybe i'll find that 2007 summer album!

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Apr 27, 2007 06:56 am

I just listen to talk radio.

That said, you do actually have some decent points there...I do what I do cuz I hate fiddling with the radio while I drive...I drive to work and back and thats about it (I hate driving) and it's thru back roads that I almost always see deer running across the road and stuff...I gotta pay attention.

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Apr 27, 2007 07:31 am

talk radio is always my first choice. any right winger from rush to hannity to oreilly to whoever. also coast to coast am. i have loved talk radio since i was like 6. i have been an old man since i was 6.

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Apr 27, 2007 07:37 am

Lately I have been listening to air america...man, those guys crack me up. I still like Michael Savage and the like, best of the right wingers.

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Apr 27, 2007 08:09 am

i heard air america once. arizona carried it. wow did it suck. i had to turn it off. at least i can listen to savage. sometimes i agree with him and sometimes i dont. (more often the latter. but the guy is talented).

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Apr 27, 2007 08:20 am

I just got to work, listened to AA on the way in, their listeners were all calling in to say how great their presidential hopefuls did in the debates last night...

What I like about AA is that they insult the right wing for name calling or other childish tactics in politics and they do it by some of the most mean spirited slams and insults I have ever heard...I find it ironic, and funny. Both sides say the other is bad and both do the same things.

I dunno, kinda funny.

90% of the time I agree with Savage, I really like what he says the vast majority of the time, I just have issues with how he says it much of the time, but that's his job, to say things like that...

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Apr 27, 2007 08:21 am

I'm glad to see I have talk radio company, I started listening to talk radio back in the late 60's Fred Fisk was on the air.I guess I was in second grade. I miss some of variety of talk radio of even 15 years ago. Sadly talk radio is becoming political speak. But anyway, an mp3 player with 1200 of my cd's would have been the ticket for my round trip drive from Maryland to Texas a few years back. I'm sure I would have had a chance to get up close and personal some tunes I don't even know I have.

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Apr 27, 2007 08:26 am

Hey Bluesdues, happy 1 year anniversary at HRC :-)

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Apr 27, 2007 09:13 am

I got a 512 shuffle from MF when I bought my strat.

I put, like 30 songs on it, and let it spin 'em around on shuffle.

I get enough variety, and keep hearing the songs I like.

My current ride has a single CD player, so I end up leaving 1 in there for awhile at a time.

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Apr 27, 2007 10:19 am

I listen to NPR in the car. Yes dB, I know they're a bunch of lefties. But you know what? NPR is the only place you can go on the dial to hear people talking that aren't SCREAMING. I don't like to be hollered at, especially in the car. The traffic alone will agitate me enough, thank you.

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Apr 27, 2007 10:29 am

I've had an iPod for about a year, and use it daily. I used to have it in shuffle mode and just listen to whatever came up. That hs left me feeling empty.

Now, I almost always only listen to albums, the way they were intended. I find this far more fulfilling...as Forty says...brings me back to the good old days of plopping in an 8-track (yes, I'm THAT old!) No more shuffling for me...

Talk radio. I listen to Rush and O'Reilly a lot when I'm in the car at that time. Mostly, I listen to them to laugh at how tough they think they are and at how they manipulate everything to make themselves look good. They are only entertainers...nothing more. I usually structure my political views on believing the opposite of what i hear those guys saying.

I also am a Garage Logic listener. Joe doesn't take himself so seriously that I feel offended by his often conservative views. I typically agree with a lot of his opinions...and I don't feel like an idiot when I don't agree.

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Apr 27, 2007 11:01 am

I'm an NPR convert too. I like the stories, and the use of language. No screaming, no rants, just nice talk radio. I can't listen to the righties (Hannity etc.), and they just make my blood boil with the "my way or the highway" attitudes. Sadly AA is somewhat the same...

I do remember the days of a single tape in the car all summer. Not that you care, but here's a few...

It Bites - The big lad in the windmill
Sanford Townsend - Whichever album "Smoke from a distant fire" was on..
Spacehog - The Hogyssey
Jellyfish - Spilt Milk

Songs to sing along to...

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Apr 27, 2007 11:12 am

I think society needs a little bit of "my way or the hiway" this society of "relative morality" is very obviously failing miserable...

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Apr 27, 2007 11:25 am

The trouble with "My way or the highway" is deciding "Who's way?"

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Apr 27, 2007 11:33 am

There lies the billion dollar question...

My immediate answer would be, well, my way.

Basically, I think everybody is allowed to do what they won't until it affects somebody else...

Creating laws to create "equal rights" is stupid...outlawing guns and drugs and stuff is stupid...enforcing the laws that exist of the crimes that sometimes result from them is the answer...not punishing everybody for the acts of a few.

eh, I digress...

Bottom line is, there are entirely too many laws and not enough enforcement of any of them...there should be two laws, don't hurt anyone else and don't take things that are not yours.

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Apr 27, 2007 11:33 am

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Apr 27, 2007 12:44 pm

Herb, that image is so great, it took me a moment to realize.... since when can you include images in HRC forums.

I'm in shock!!!

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Apr 27, 2007 12:51 pm

Since a few days ago, YouTube and Google Videos too...it's all automated based on the contents of the URL...

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Apr 27, 2007 12:52 pm

Forty Mile, Jim

I use the iPod Auto Playlists for this. I have dozens of them.

Songs not played
Songs not played in 3, 6, 8, 12 months
Songs listened to less than 5 times
5 star rated not listened in 6 months

It goes on and on. Then I can focus on listening to stuff I've overlooked etc.

I constantly "get" new music, and I do agree I often give short shrift to some stuff cause there's always something new to listen to, then I heard one of those I bypassed on a playlist and I return to it and find that I like it

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Apr 27, 2007 01:12 pm

I'm not familiar with Auto Playlists. Sounds interesting....

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Apr 27, 2007 02:15 pm

Other than the cool stuff I'm hearing from HRC people, I'm not hearing a lot of new music these days that really making my boat float.
Just a personal thing, but I guess I'm turnng into an old man or something....."We had real music in my day...."

Can't remember the last time I rushed out to buy a new album. Music radio (when you can find it) is unbearable to listen to. You have to wade through hours of crap to get to something you like.


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Apr 27, 2007 02:50 pm

Actually I remember now that they are called Smart Playlists, they even have their own website

smartplaylists.com/

TallChap, no offense but I always get very annoyed by the "no good music today" argument. Listening to the radio is not the way to discover new music. I buy nothing but new music and there is tons and tons of fantastic stuff coming out, a lot of it relatively mainstream. Most people who say there is no good music usually reveal that they haven't actually listened to any new music in years.

try www.pandora.com for some fun.

Another point a friend made to me is that we associate old music with, mostly, good memories, that gives it an emotional weight much higher than anything new.

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Apr 27, 2007 03:00 pm

Since I've been on this rebuilding kick with HRC, making music more prominent, I have listened to a lot of great tunes. There is some good music here.

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Apr 27, 2007 05:36 pm

wow lots of great points. this might be my most popular thread.

talk radio: bluesdues, those living in western PA and parts of ohio and wv can still get old-style talk radio thanks to kdka, the nation's oldest radio station. the old kind of talk radio really is a different style. those talk shows go all night long, and the day is all talk too. after dark the tone changes. it gets slower. you get insomniacs calling in, and you hear a lot of patient conversations. calls can last up to 15 minutes. it's mostly senior citizens rambling on about this or that, but it's such a part of that area--it's been happening since i was a kid.

npr is great radio


guitar jim--i too won't get any use of the shuffle feature. i am an album listener. i'm just using this thing as my portable 'few albums only' device. to cut down on choice. i think there was a study recently which aimed to show that people, when they have too many choices, become confused and actually less happy. i like the choices i have with my full-sized ipod. i just don't like that in the car. i should be driving and enjoying music, not wrestling with options.

tonyoci--smart playlists are great. my prob is that i can never decide how to rate songs, so i end up not using the 'star' feature. but thankfully there are many other criteria you can use. all my recent ads are always at the ready in my ipod, so i can see what i have yet to check out. only complaint is that it's hard to see what the stuff is, because the smart playlists list the ads by track name. you can't see the album divisions. i cant find the divisions between albums in those recent ads playlists. so i wish they would introduce a way to see those ads by album or folder rather than track name. also 'last played' doesn't work too well. for a song to register in that last, it must be played to the end, and i rarely listen to songs all the way through (unless i am in the car). same with 'last skipped': they don't register as skipped unless you listen to them for more than like 10 seconds or something. i usually skip a song within three seconds, as do most people i'd bet.

re: no good music. i experience this too. i think it might be partly our age and partly that we don't listen to one album all summer anymore, and also partly that there seems to be a shortage of albums that are great all the way through. for me, an album that has a few standout tracks and a few bad tracks is not a good album. the last deftones album, saturday night wrist, comes to mind. a few good tracks and a few wasteful, pointless ones. i don't listen to that album and probably won't get into it because of the crap on there. but i usually notice and stick with an album that's good from front to back. in coming months i have the new tori amos album to check out, as well as a new manson album (the sample tracks, at his myspace page, seem great), a tomahawk album, and a new pumpkins album supposedly.


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Apr 27, 2007 06:04 pm

Forty, I always deal with the play count problem by FF instead of skip. So if I've listened to enough to give it a play hit then I FF, I do it reliably cause those stats are important to me.

The skip count one is odd, I haven't been able to reliably figure out how that works.

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Apr 27, 2007 06:20 pm

yeah i hear ya. but i can't usually be bothered to mannipulate the ipod to make those stats end up true. i should but i dont. actually, the ipod should! to me this is a fault in the smart playlist options. there should be more criteria you can use to set your SP's to work with your behavior, in those drop down menus there.

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Apr 27, 2007 06:28 pm

You mean like a "Songs I want to listen to" option where it reads your mind :)

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Apr 27, 2007 06:32 pm

See, now is it really that difficult? I have been on the PHP standards committee for years to develop that mind_read($user) function I requested, but they are such slackers...

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Apr 27, 2007 06:52 pm

lol, no man. i just mean that if the point of smart playlists is to recognize your behavior and work with it to bring you what you want, it's an oversight to fail to include menu options for two of the most common listening patterns: immediate skips and premature cessation of track (which is a complete listen to many people)


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Apr 27, 2007 06:53 pm

thats true, that'd be cool.

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Apr 27, 2007 07:47 pm

When I'm "auditioning" a song, I know within the first 15-30 seconds whether or not I like it. If it has a long, laborious intro, I'll fast forward to the middle and listen to a few bars. If it doesn't get me by then, I ditch it. The fact that I gave the song that much of my time certainly doesn't mean that I liked the song, or even heard it. The people who do models and programming for stat counters and the like must take into account this kind of listener behavior.

You have to hook them early to get them to listen. Simple as that.

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Apr 27, 2007 08:57 pm

OK, age will be the key here. My first summer album was Deep Purple Machine Head on and 8 track Quad system. How can you not love Highway Star, Lazy, space Truckin and the lot? Others were Allman Brothers Eat a Peach and Live at the Filmore East. This year I think it will be NIN Year Zero and Bloc Party A weekend in the City. Last summer for some odd reason we had the sound track from Lords of Dogtown in the car a majority of the time, that and NightWish first album.

forty, even though I do have a ton of mp3 CD's burnt for in the car and can plug any portable player in I still find myself getting engulfed by a new CD. I keep at least 50 or 60 CD's in the car most of the time just to break it up, but find that we always gravitate back to one or two certain CD's.

I do prefer to listen to an entire disc, even if it means laboring through one or two tracks I don't really care for. But eventually they do grow on me and I find something I can like about the. The last Social Distortion album was like that. I didn't really dig several of the track, but they eventually grew on me. Mostly because the boyz were really digging them so I thought I better listen closer.

Herb, you are correct though. It is the HOOK that brings you back. Deep Purple was great for that, every song had a killer hook on Machine Head. LCD Sound System is another good example of using a hook to generate and keep interest. Daft Punk was superb at doing that as well, every track had those huge claws that sunk into your mind and would not let go, even though sometimes it was very repetitive.

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Apr 27, 2007 09:05 pm

Hey db thanks for bringing my attention to my 1 year anniversary at HRC. Gives me something to celebrate tonight. I'll have one for you too. :-)

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Apr 27, 2007 11:54 pm

That's creepy, Bluesdues. I'll have to shake that one off.

Well, have some cake anyway....


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Apr 28, 2007 12:14 am

Well the truth is, it doesn't take much to get me to to take part in the benefits of a celebration.

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Apr 28, 2007 02:09 am

Kidding, of course. Once again, I used the wrong emoticon :-)

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Apr 29, 2007 05:52 am

i'm also an NPR junkie...except when they rock the classical music, then i switch to the right....what really got me into npr is the lack of over-compression, you can listen to it for extended periods of time without loosing your attention.

i listen to the right just to see what they're sayin'....it's a common stigma that the lefties play emotion too much but i truely think right wing radio's seriously built around 'striking an emotional chord' in the listener....it's simple economics.

commercial radio makes money through advertizing. what do advertizers want? to get their message out to as many people as possible. how does the advertizer know if alot of people are listening? they judge by how many people call the station (we're talkin' talk radio here) the person behind the mic's job is to keep the phone lines jammed.

also on that note, the stations always try to send out as hot as a signal as possible, so they compress even further to reach as many people as possible.


my new thing now is college lecture podcasts....

i'm gettin' UC Berkley's music appreciation, physics 101 (also good for understanding sound), astronomy, psychology (there's a really cool drug class), animal behavior, chemistry, something called "zencast" which is a bunch of lectures on buddahism (sp?) and kevin smith and scott mosier's "smodcast"...

i find myself listening to my podcasts more damn near all day, at work, in the car and even at home...i'm lovin' it ba-da-dum-dat-dahh

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Apr 29, 2007 06:29 am

NPR on Saturday makes the drive to and from Wal-Mart tolerable. "Car Talk", "Whad'ya Know", and "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me" are the three best shows on radio, period.

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Apr 29, 2007 05:19 pm

NPR for me is local MPR, no talk radio here. Not that I don't listen on occasion. The Current and the classical MPR station as well. Ya, sometimes I like a nice string movement with my drive. I like the shows like American Routes and the likes that bring very old music and the stories behind it to radio. They play lost of local music and have several shows dedicated to just our local scene. Their moring show is a bit different musically as well as some talk. Saturday morning is Sounds Eclectic which is as it sounds, a varied palette of goodness. Then Saturday night is Redefinition Radio which is even more of the newest and cutting edge music you wont here anywhere else. Then at midnight on Saturday comes Rhythm Lab, dance and electronic till your hearts content. No other station around has programing like that. No boring top 40 crap here.

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Apr 29, 2007 05:22 pm

Quote:
"Car Talk", "Whad'ya Know", and "Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me"


I listen to "Whad'ya Know" almost every Saturday morning. Someday I'll drive down to Madison and see it live.

Michael Feldman...yet another Cheesehead!

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Apr 29, 2007 05:52 pm

ive never heard whad'ya know, but car talk was always hilarious when i was a kid. it'd be on after church in the car and those guys would sometimes get on a roll.

podcast lectures from berkeley? hows the music appreciation one? whats 'in it'?

I'm back bitches!!!
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Apr 30, 2007 10:09 pm

I have the Ipod adapter for my car from Pioneer. It lets me put the ipod in the glovebox and use the head unit to control it. It's like playing an mp3 disc with 300 albums on it. That being said I tend to listen to albums at a time and not shuffle.

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Apr 30, 2007 11:14 pm

ah, i took a look at those. but i opted for a faceplate, allowing me to plug the ipod in directly to the faceplate and throwing it on the seat next to me. felt more my style, i guess.

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May 01, 2007 01:57 am

Forget about mp3, its the worst thing the audio industry ever inveted, the quality is even worse than the old tapes, the only ways to listen to good music are: vinyl, old reel-to-reel, or CD, anything else is crap because not only the audio quality is poor, but also, the music looses its emotional value since you dont even pay attention or time to what you are listening, for me loading a vinyl or reel-to-reel tape is like a ritual, where you spend time and care to what you are going to listen.

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May 01, 2007 03:21 am

kind of hard to fit a record player into my pocket though.

i don't lose the emotional value by listening by these other means, but i do understand what you mean. there was a certain coolness to putting on records before bed when i was a kid. but i didn't like music back then, so i just listened to kid records and christmas albums. but yeah, the scratchiness was cool and the ritual. but it did suck getting out of bed to flip the thing over.

most people don't notice the drop off in quality with mp3's. i barely do. i just recently began to hear it.

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May 01, 2007 09:18 am

If the audio industry had never invented .mp3, there are a lot of guys like me who would still be singing our songs to ourselves in our lonely little home studios. The .mp3 format has opened up a whole new world of music to me, and a whole new way of sharing my music with others. My tin ears don't seem to mind the loss in quality, and I'm still suitably moved by good music.

Not to sound like an extremist, but if I had to put myself on a continuum, I'd be leaning toward the end that says, "Hooray for .mp3!"

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May 01, 2007 09:53 am

the quality of mp3 totally depends on the encoder and production of it. Even at it's best it's not a CD, I will say that, but it is listenable and over earbuds or the like, it's fine, CD-quality doesn't sound good over earbuds either.

mp3 was, whether it's good or not, one of the things that empowered the indie movement currently underway in the music industry.

in theory I agree with dualflip, but looking at mp3 on a wider scale it was a very good thing.

as far as vinyl goes, I was happy as hell to pack those away forever.

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May 01, 2007 11:18 am

For sure, without MP3 I would not have bought all the music I bought over the last few years. I had lost interest in CD's and MP3's allowed me to experiment and store more on an iPod or similar.

I think your ears grow accustomed to MP3. I've run a number of tests and there's a group of people, me included, who can't spot the difference reliably, there are others who get it right every time.

Even with a CD or reel to reel you still suffer from the quality of the speakers etc. Vinyl was never great quality just, in theory for some, produced that wonderful vinyl sound.

I very clearly say "hooray for MP3"

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May 01, 2007 11:39 am

I've found some good stuff through Pandora.com, but everything I find that I like has no trail from it and I can't find anything else by the same artist. Very obscure stuff usually. When I've stumbled on songs by mainstream artists, I've been very disappointed by the rest of their stuff, or I've found it very 'samey'. Not a real word, but it'll do. The point about albums not being complete albums - 2 good songs, lots of fillers - seems correct.

Machine Head is one of the best LPs of all time!

Also, if anyone can come up with something that could wrench my copy of Jellyfish's "Spilt Milk" from my CD player, I'm all ears.
There's nothing I've heard lately that can touch it.

Stereophonics came close...
XTC came real close....
Tool's last one was close, but it was over compressed and hard to listen to.
"Bellybutton" has some legs.

Aside from that, it's places like HRC that are pumping out the better music. No label pressure, no hype. The good songs shine through. The real 'indie' music.


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May 01, 2007 03:35 pm

yeah, the music appreciatin class is gooin' through all the periods of 'classical' stuff right now....talkin' a bit about basic theory, then into early religious music (monophonic chant) to polyphonic stuff into the different musical periods (baroque, classical, romantic, ect) all the while highlighting different composers, and what made them significant....it's really neat stuff.

i'm really digin' physics, i think i have a knack for it, but i never knew it before i got my ipod.

i get a bit of NPR programing (one is a really cool rock-critic show called "Sound Opinions On Demand" this keeps me up with what's new and fresh...i just found out i'm a Niko Cage fan!

good stuff

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May 01, 2007 03:43 pm

WYD, have you listened to any of the chants and such done by some of the real monk communities of the world. Some of those guys can actually make chords, like multi-tone chords with their mouths...it's incredibly interesting, Micky Hart has travelled the world recording some of them, it's friggin amazing what some of those Orders can do...

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May 01, 2007 03:46 pm

wow, i havn't heard of one person singing more than one note, but it bet it's wild!....i have heard alotta the "pure mood" type cd's with gagordian (sp?) chants...it's okay, not exactly my flava though.

who's Micky Hart?

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May 01, 2007 03:55 pm

Micky Hart (my bad, Mickey Hart), one of the drummers with the Grateful Dead...jeezuz, what an embarrassment to stoners everywhere YOU are ;-)

Yeah, it ain't my flava either, but it is fascinating.

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May 01, 2007 05:12 pm

i will recommend the music of the rustavi choir--georgian chant. i've only heard a bit, but some of it is good.

what kinda physics you getting into with these lectures? i love physics but am annoyed with cosmology right now, because we're really in the dark right now! i really dig relativity, though, and speculations about time. last night i listened to a paul davies lecture. davies is pushing the idea these days that there might be something to reverse causality. this opens the door to crazy things. if the future creates the past in some way, what does that say about the possibility that the history of the universe has something to do with its origin, and what does that say about the possibility of god?

'I AM' would certainly take on new meaning.

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May 01, 2007 05:37 pm

the physics i'm takin' jumps right into the nitty-gritty, it's not emphasizing spacific values, laws, or equasions...it's purely conceptual. the lectures are devided into topics, each topic gets two hours of lecture time (including Q&A) and is devided into two 1 hour segments...some of the topics are...

E=MC2
Einestines relativity
Uncertanty and Free Will
Quantum Applications
Quantum Physics
Light
Invisible Light
Magnitizm
Electricity
Nukes
Gravity and Satellites
Atoms and Heat
Energy and Power
and my fav. waves and sound.

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May 01, 2007 05:45 pm

i love relativity. and the free will question. most physicists don't believe we really have free will. i am pretty much on that side too.

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May 01, 2007 08:20 pm

I love the use of chant in any flavor. Deep forest was an offshoot of another electronic project that both used chanting as part of the music. Some of the coolest music you will ever hear. Others such as Enigma, Sacred spirit, Enya and many others.

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Since: Apr 06, 2007


May 02, 2007 01:48 am

well mp3 is a good device if you want your music to be shared and known but i dont think its the best way to listen to music. I think the best thing should be listen to the mp3, if you like it buy the CD, if not, well just send that mp3 to the trash can and empty it HAHAHA!!!! its just a matter of opinion i know some might disagree with me but i think that those guys who spent a lot of time, money, effort, and creativity on every aspect of a certain record, wouldnt like you to listen to a compressed mp3, even at highest bit rates mp3 is lame and shouldnt be considered as a replacement of the older media but as a preview of songs/albums. But hey thats just my opinion hehehe

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 02, 2007 03:32 am

hmm i am starting to think you're actually the one on the RIGHT in that photo there...

:)

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002


May 02, 2007 08:37 am

mp3 is little different than the radio, which I listen to a lot (usually talk though) but still it's over compressed and all that...so therefore, by your standards we shouldn't listen to the radio either.

To many in this thread, and I tend to be in this group as well, quality or the supreme listening environment isn't the only factor, it's only a factor. Other factors are price and convenience...it's all a balance. on that balance mp3 wins more often than not.

Hold 'Em Czar
Member
Since: Dec 30, 2004


May 02, 2007 12:19 pm

mcdonalds is not good food, but some people love to eat the **** outta it.

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002


May 02, 2007 10:02 pm

And I'll toss in one final note on the mp3 thing. I'll include all compressed audio for that matter. My rig here is set up to compensate for the bits that mp3 and other audio compression formats take out. Anyone can do it really, although some may not have systems that can do it. I simply do an of CD material and mp3 or WMA or whatever. Then set the system to come as close as possible to reproducing them as closely as can be done. The head unit and system in my car is the same set up. When playing mp3 or WMA I simply choose a pre set EQ curve to comp for the lost low and high end, and viola, I have comparable sound. Its really not that hard to do.

Its just like anything that is considered to lower the quality, you simply have to find a way around it.

Member
Since: Apr 06, 2007


May 03, 2007 02:11 am

HAHAHAHA fortymile i almost pee my pants with your comment!!!!, yeap you are right im a complete analog freak hahaha!!! cheers!!!

Member
Since: Jan 18, 2003


May 03, 2007 05:41 am

cheers, dualflip :)

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