SM58 - SM57 and Cabinets/Amps
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Posted on Feb 23, 2005 05:16 pm
cocofromscotland
Hello!
Member Since: Jan 12, 2004
Hey Guys
A Question I have for ye's.
My understandin of the differences between a 57 n a 58 is:
1. 57 has no pop shield or grille (obvious)
2. 58 has proximity effect
3. Frq response approx the same
With this in mind, has anyone tried or how do ye think it would sound if I took the grille off the 58 and used it to mic a cab/gtr???
Coco
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Feb 23, 2005 05:40 pm they both would have the proximity effect (i think any cardioid mic does)
my understanding was they were the exact same guts on the inside (but i'm not 100% sure) lol bad pun....
i've ripped of the grill of a 58 and considered it a 57 before with good results (just watch the black foam right on the diaphragm!)
peace
wyd
Feb 23, 2005 05:58 pm I also heard the internal workings were very much the same so I considered, maybe, snapping up more of these in place of the (hard to find cheaper) SM57's and doing a hatchet job...
It also means I'd have one of the best vocal mics for live work to boot on hand, when needed!!!
Dunno how a hatcheted 58 would sound on drums tho! I will be getting a couple of 57's anyway, I just wondered.
Cheers WYD for yer inputs
Coco.
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Feb 23, 2005 06:03 pm The 58 has a presence boost right in that vocal range, so you may have to account for that when using one instead of a 57. somewhere on Shure's website is a frequency response chart for both microphones.
Feb 23, 2005 06:05 pm Aye, thats the point I had worried off. The presence boost (I thought that was the proximity effect - mixed up again!)...anyways - thats the thing I wanted to know off.
I'll check Shure's site now..see what they say.
Cheers Tad
Coco.
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Feb 23, 2005 06:08 pm You betcha man. I linked to both charts a while back, but it'd probably be easier to find them on shure's site than to dig thru old posts here.
Feb 23, 2005 06:14 pm Hey Tad
Do ye think the 58 (with the grille off and positioned properly) would work on drums with the aid some overheads (condensers) - I wis looking at a stereo pair of Oktavia's....
Coco.
Feb 23, 2005 06:25 pm Whilst writing, has anybody used the Sennheiser E835 (apparently a vocal mic) for anything other than vox???
I hear this mic is quite handy and cheaper (brand new) than the SM's..maybe a few of these could be used too for mic'in a kit and/or amps?
Cheers
Coco.
olddogMember
Since: Jul 02, 2003
Feb 24, 2005 12:08 am Coco I was reading on Shure's site (it's in their knowledge base) that if you remove the grille on the SM58 is nearly identical to a 57.
If you look at the two mic's freq response it is also nearly identical, though the SM58 has a very slight cut in mid's.
Dan
RigsbyUltra MagnusMember
Since: Nov 13, 2004
Feb 24, 2005 03:00 am Yeah, they're the same mic without the 58's windshield, save that the 57 has a grill. The windshield is apparently the cause of the slight mid cut.
Coco, i'd say a pair of condensers as OHs, a 57/58 sans shield on the snare and maybe a D112 on the kick (some really good prices on the bay, hunt around and you'll get a great price and free shipping thrown in -even to the UK) and that's a pretty good set-up to start with.
Sorry, don't know the 835.
Feb 24, 2005 03:47 am Cheers Dan & Rigsby
Now that is MUSIC to my ears!! I think I'll see if I can nab more 58's and at least 1 57. If not, then so be it but I wanna try get me the most versatile collection of mic's possible...
2 condensers I know I cant avoid..tho Im looking at possibly a pair of B1's - I like my B1 but if I can get something better on the bay, I'll sure as hell take it.
THanks a lot guys...appreciate that input for sure.
Coco.
Feb 24, 2005 11:34 am i am of the opinion that it's better to have two small diaphragm condensors and one large
then two large and one small...
wyd
RigsbyUltra MagnusMember
Since: Nov 13, 2004
Feb 24, 2005 03:53 pm Agreed WYD, a pair of SDCs, an LDC, a 57 and a kick mic and you've got a fair bit of scope, and you're far more likely to find applications for two SDCs over two of the large.
Feb 24, 2005 04:11 pm OK..I have gotten so far: 2 x SM58's (which I can unscrew the grilles and make into makeshift 57's til I actually get some 57's) and a set of Audio Technica Kitpak Drum Mics (4 x mics) for £82!!! Ahhhh...Im lovin Ebay.
They look quite sweet...(two "Snare/Tom" mics, and two "Kick/Tom" mics) - should be handy. Now I just need some condesners and more 58/57's and MAYBE that Senheiser E835 and I'll be good to go!
Ahhh..sweet. Thanks for the condenser advice - I'll surely check it oot further...good lads.
Coco.
WaltChief Cook and Bottle WasherMember
Since: May 10, 2002
Feb 25, 2005 12:09 am Yup, yup, their the same mic except the 58's diaphram is pushed further forward for the singer who likes to 'work' the proximity effect. As long as you keep the 58 4 inches back or so from the cab you will defeat the proximity effect anyway. I guess you could unscrew the bubble off the 58 and experiment with a little cardboard collar to effectively push the diaphram 'back' and stop airflow to the rear of the diaphram, which is the defination of the proximity effect.
Feb 25, 2005 03:19 am I'll be trying that for sure Walt...I now have 3 58's, a Shure Prolouge (which sounds no bad considering the price fi ebay!!), a B1 and 4 Audio Technica Drum MIC's...woohoo.
Im getting there for sure and I think I can still grab another few mics (Maybe these Senheiser E835's) with the cash I have left - they only run like, £30-£45 new !! Which is good.
The 58's are runnin at £50-£60 second hand...
Cheers Walt
Coco.
