Feb 20, 2005 04:17 pm I would suggest 57's all around, a decent kick mic plus a decent overhead or maybe two for room sound.
Coco's Mad Idea???
Posted on Feb 20, 2005 04:14 pm
cocofromscotland
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Member Since: Jan 12, 2004
Hi Guys
Quick question - after trawling thru HRC and finding many, MANY ideas - I am thinkin here.
To mic a drum kit...can I be so plain as to just use as many SM57's as I can afford with one decent "smacker" for the bass drum???
This way, I can get it done cheaply but decently no??
All tracks, all songs will be downloaded to the PC from a multitrack...so - my question - will it sound decent with 57's all round?? I know some drummers have done this...so, just yer ain opinions would be awesome dudes...
Cheers to ye all
Coco.
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Feb 20, 2005 04:17 pm I would suggest 57's all around, a decent kick mic plus a decent overhead or maybe two for room sound.
Feb 20, 2005 04:22 pm Nice one my man..thats JUST what I wanna hear!
Now, to find me a nice (affordable second hand) pile of mics!!
I am lookin at a lovely FostexV160 on Ebay for under £500 ($1000) which leaves me with a Behri adat convertor thing to buy, which SHOULD leave me some dough to buy the 57's (which I can double up with for any SENSIBLE bands who are willing to overdub) for guitar amps!! Woooyeahh!
I canny wait!!!! Never mic'd a drum kit in ma natural born life, but I'll be sure to give it a bloody good try!!....fun it will be for sure.
Cheers dB. Decent kick mic + o/head?? Any ideas? I aint never mic'd a kit...
Coco.
Feb 20, 2005 04:27 pm eh, I haven't in a long time meself. I am thinking a buddy of mine has a "D2" Audex? Audiotechnica, something, something "D2" rings a bell...
Feb 20, 2005 04:40 pm Indeed, an Audix D2 it is...
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISA...ssPageName=WD2V
Now to find one, over here and check it out further!!
Cheers bud
Coco.
Feb 20, 2005 04:43 pm yeah, thats the bugger. once upon a time I had some audiotechnica that was pretty cheap and did a good job, I wish I could remember the model tho...
Hey, I just remembered, Pro 20 or Pro 25 or something...not the greatest in the world, but did a good job for the price.
Feb 20, 2005 04:50 pm Now, thats sounding good tae!
I've been hunting the UK Ebay for mics as I need a good few anyways, plus the recorder so I'll check this oot for sure my man.
Aye, there is a set of Audio Technica drum mics on just now (£40) used obviously but thats for 4!! In fact, here's the link:
cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISA...ssPageName=WDVW
The thing is, there is a very similar set of the same mics listed under this one starting at £275!!!! Now, if thats so, these could be worht a peek!
I will also check these Pro20, 25's ... I dont need EMI...good demo standard will be fine enuff.
Again, thanks dB.
Coco.
Feb 20, 2005 06:12 pm Seeing these on MF.com is killing me. I think they'd be decent drum overheads. I don't even play drums but for some reason I want these mics!
service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
Feb 20, 2005 06:19 pm Hey Tad
Seeing EVERYTHING on darn MF is KILLING ME!!!!
I canny get any of that stuff shipped to the UK! Otherwise, I'd save a fortune on the prices over here....darn MF!!
Those MXL stuff looks good man...I spied some other stuff by them, its all good.
Geez, its so bad man. even the Behringer stuff is inflated here in the UK. Darn markup, tax and bloody customs taxes - screw us Musos big time!
Coco.
Feb 20, 2005 07:23 pm I dont like 57's on the hi toms personally, I just mic the high and mid toms with 1 58. Sounds good to me.
Feb 20, 2005 07:34 pm im recording my set tomorrow for the first time...ill let ya know coco, cos im using one sm57 and some cheap drum mics...
Feb 21, 2005 04:15 am Aye...cheers guys.
Flame, let me know for sure - Im also in the market to buy drum mics so Id love to know how yours sound (if they were cheap) I'll maybe nab some maself! Tho, I will be err'in towards 57's...as many as I can lay my paws on!
Cheers
Coco.
Feb 21, 2005 06:33 am Generally i use a pair of small diaphram condensers as OHs, 57 on the snare and D112 on the kick, then maybe throw in an LDC with an omni pattern for ambience/room sound about six -ten feet from the kit, if the toms need micing at all it's often one for the hi and mid (rare that i record with three toms though) to share and one for the floor tom (i use 57s as it's usually what's available). As for audix, i can't recall off the top of my head but i think i've heard a fair bit about the D6 being a good kick mic. Cheap SDCs that are pretty good are Octava 012, the MXLs and Studio Electronics SE1a if that's any help.
With a good kit though i got this..
www.rigsbysmith.net/hidde...beatextract.mp3
..out of 4 57s, (2 OHs, kick and snare).
Feb 21, 2005 07:03 am Cheers Rigs
Much appreciated...I'll check that sample oot to, when I am back from work (nae speakers here).
Thanks for the advices...mucho appreciated.
It's lookin good for the 57's. See if I can mibbe nab some cheaper condensers and I am sorted!
Coco.
Feb 21, 2005 07:07 am When miking the snare, of you have the resources, put two SM57's on it, one on the top and one on the bottom to get that crack of the springs under there. It can give a lot of life to the snare. Not always necessary, but a cool trick to try sometimes if you have the spare mic.
Feb 21, 2005 07:18 am Aye..I had heard thats a good trick to try and one I'd like to do...
I remember back in the day we had an old "live DAT" demo made. Paid aboot £80 and just went for it. We had:
2 x gtrs, 1 x bass, 2 x vocals and 1 drummer (obviously). If my hazy memory serves me, we had 57's on the geetars and bass, 1 vocal mic thru the system (my backin vox was not recorded!!!) and there could have been no more than 2 drum mics!!! It sounded no bad for that. I tell ye, it must have been a kick mic (as I can hear that clearly on the demo) and a snare mic.
Thats it!!! So I thinks to myself, if I can make demos with 16 tracks, I must have a chance of bettering that which, to me, still sounds not bad "engineer" wise!! Took the guy around an hour to mix (and its 100% live 30 min set!) so...canny be that hard!
Question tho - Seperation. If I wanna record the drums by themselves but WITH the full band playin along and singing, will this be picked up in the condensers i.e. hte overheads?? Or to a degree?? Dunno aboot this as I never tried it but its a thought that just hit me the now!
Cheers guys
Coco.
Feb 21, 2005 08:30 am Yeah, you can get a good drum sound with pretty much anything if you try a few things and are open minded, i got an awesome sound with one 57 copy pointing at the kit (about a foot and a half away, mic pointing between snare and top of kick drum) and rec'd that to cassette, same guy as the sample i put up, hitting pretty hard at the time and we pushed the meter into the red a little and wow ...that sound was awesome, can't think where i might have those drums, if i find them i'll post. We took those to the studio we used to record and in and overdubbed guitars and things, really beautifully brutal sound and a well-balanced mix on the kit.
The top and bottom snare micing's a good call, just remember you don't actually have to use both or feel that you can hear one or tother in the mix. With dynamics (like the 57) as oevrheads if you choose to go that way, you may well end up using more of the bottom mic as the dynamics will likely pick up a lot of the less-detailed part of the snare anyway, so the bottom mic can capture the more subtle stuff and the fizzle.
Separation: It's always an issue, but baffles can help, either that or DI all the instruments, use a headphone splitter so everyone can hear what's going on and put the vocalist in another room, that's worked for me.
Feb 21, 2005 09:36 am I used an Audio Technica AT4033a as an over head and got a good sound on all the cymbals and tom. Don't know ho much the mic was cause i nicked it from my brother. and the trick of the to mics for the snare is wonderfull as I couldn't get a good enough sound with one cause the snares crap but with 2 it sounds like a more expensive snare..(good idea for a cheap skate like me)
Feb 21, 2005 02:35 pm I picked myself up a BeHA8000 headphone amp for like $300 NZ, that has serverd me V. well. 4 TRS Mono inputs (linked in stereo pairs that is)and eight headphone outputs.
I run one mix for the drummer, and one mix for the guitarist, bassist, Vox.
The drummers feed is out of an auxilary channel on my mixer and the other out of the main outs of my mixer.
So no need for DI :)
I also got a GREAT drum sound from a beta 52 A, a 57 on snare and an AKG C900 as a mono over head positioned about a metre above the middle of the mid tom and low tom. This sound has me thinking about selling up my dedicated overheads........
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