Dec 11, 2003 09:51 pm Maybe their metronome has a finer precision than the one you're using, like they might be able to dial in 100.54 bpm or something that you can come close to but not match up with exactly.
tempo
Posted on Dec 11, 2003 09:07 pm
brock
Member Since: Jun 28, 2002
i have a question about tempo and using metronomes. i've seen various videos of bands recording in there studios. i see and hear them using a metronome and stuff..anyways when i try to inport the accual song and make my metronome in nuendo link up with the song, i can never find the right tempo..it will sound on for a few secounds and then get off the tempo a few secounds later..its as if there metronomes are smart to give a more live feel. how are they doing this. i know you can slow down and speed up the metronome with the tempo track sheet thing but is there another way or special metronome that i don't know about. thanks
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Dec 11, 2003 09:51 pm Maybe their metronome has a finer precision than the one you're using, like they might be able to dial in 100.54 bpm or something that you can come close to but not match up with exactly.
Dec 11, 2003 10:16 pm I'm confused for sure. Can you tell if they are steady throughout the whole piece?
I suspect you are in the middle of a lot of smoke and mirrors. God only knows what the video is saying or made to say. There is also the possibility that they did it recording in sessions and the actual mixing included some time streatching to make things fit better. By the time it hits the shelf, hard to say what we are really hearing. Virtual music.
Dec 12, 2003 12:17 pm no i can get my metronome really precise. i've come accross this with Taproot and Posion the well. there little documentary things or interveiw things. they are just clips of them talking around the studios and live proformances. like home video. theres a quick clip of them recording stuff everyonce and a while recorded from the control room and there we go the metronomes clicking away. then when i try to put my metronome to thouse parts or almost every other part of there cds it changes. its almost like they started the takes with the metronome and then turned it off once into the song. but i dunno. i noticed that the bands were using metronomes that sounded the same. like a bell sample? ether way it dosn't stay on the same tempo nor is it me not being able to find the tempo on my metonome ...you can tell its not that when you listen to how it getts off. thanks brock
Dec 12, 2003 12:54 pm it's wiser to go from song to song when deciding whether or not to use click track. some of these songs might have been going for more of a live feel, maybe the video shows them in pre-production...who knows? what are you trying to accomplish? it's one thing to know the tempo, but i am having trouble trying to figure out why you would want a click track going along someone else's song.
Dec 12, 2003 12:57 pm Ya, Probably just looked cool in the video.
Dec 12, 2003 02:53 pm i'm intrested in this because i never use metronomes for the simple fact that they make some songs lose there feeling. (mostly in heavy music) over time i'd listen to stuff i've done with metronomes and compared it to other cds and mine felt so fake. thats when i started seeing if these bands that i've seen using metronomes are making it sound alive and trying to match tempos, but i can't match it so i'm guessing they just adjust them around so there always moving around instead of anything else.
Dec 12, 2003 03:54 pm what makes the song sound alive is groove & pocket, and the energy you put into your playing. if you're looking to a robot for guidance on keeping the tempo steady, it's still up to you to interpret that and put the human touch on it. there are definitely situations where not using a metronome is most appropriate, but the only good piece of advice that i've heard in regards to switching tempos around is to kick them up 1-3 BPM to bring extra energy into a chorus.
Dec 12, 2003 10:21 pm Metronone practice is great for individual practice. If you can nail a groove using a metronone you surely can nail it in a performance. Especially if you play a wide range of tempos it will help you stay steady. I usually take one practice a month and work one song at every tempo I can for about 45 minutes. It's wierd, but I'm good for a month. It's also great for practicing different rythum feels. Set the metronome for 1/2 song tempo and play with the met marking 2 and 4. Great practice. You will feel the difference between that and a streight 1 & 3 marking. A met is also good for kicking off a song in group practice as long as you can program it to quite after start up. As mentioned above a variance of 3 bpm or so simply adds flavor, life, humaness to the piece. More than that equals sloppy unless the piece is intended for open tempo sections. The bottom line is keeping tight in a group. If a met helps use it. The worst group players on the plannet are church organists. They are great soloists for what they do. Put them in a group and they will take liberties with tempo that will drive you up a wall! Either that or play so square and pound that every song sounds like a version of Onward Christian Soldier.
Bottom line they are a great practice tool. If you can make the thing "silent" while you are playing you are dead on beat. A transferable skill for listening to that favorite drummer.
Jan 15, 2004 08:15 pm I've come acoss that from time to time. Not all bands or drummers can play to a metronome.
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