Jun 15, 2003 05:29 pm if you want a shehnai in there, i can help.
Any horn players out there?
Posted on Jun 15, 2003 05:16 pm
Johnny Hero
Member Since: Apr 26, 2002
Wanna write some horn parts to some punk/ska songs and record them? Let me know.
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Jun 15, 2003 05:29 pm if you want a shehnai in there, i can help.
Jun 15, 2003 05:31 pm I was thinking more along the lines of trumpet, trombone, or sax... but if you can come up with something good, I'd be willing to take a listen...
Jun 15, 2003 05:31 pm where's the song at? it sounds like a soprano sax with a middle eastern vibe.
Jun 15, 2003 05:38 pm that sounds cool...got a soundclip of it or anything?
Jun 15, 2003 05:40 pm The song is in my profile... it's called "What Is Freedom...?"
Jun 15, 2003 07:01 pm clip (left channel is me on shehnai, right channel is me on doumbek):
www.minkusmaz.com/shehnaidoumbekjam.mp3
cool i'll check it out and see if i can't give you something interesting.
Jun 15, 2003 07:08 pm I have a few horn blast samples that can be used in something like fruityloops to sequence some horn parts if you want them...
Jun 15, 2003 08:07 pm Using samples goes against my punk rock ethics I think... that and I'm too stupid/lazy to sequence stuff. If you wanna have a go at it though, you're more than welcome.
Jun 15, 2003 08:24 pm Well, first I would need the song to put them too ;-)
As far as going against these ethics...I think you would probably be surprised how many acts of almost all generes of music use sequencing and things like that. Many CD's proudly say "No computers used in making this album" however, they don't say that they used old tape loop machines, sample players, tape delays and other tools of that nature.
Just because it wasn't done on a PC doesn't mean it's not artificially generated...also, it saves you the hassle of needing to find other musicians to work with if you only need it for one song...
Don't hold your music back because of some predisposition to thinking sequenced music is somehow less worthy or less musical. If it sounds good, then it's good music regardless of the means used to get there.
At least that's my two cents.
Jun 15, 2003 08:46 pm The whole ethics thing was mostly a joke... and as far as only needing it for one song, we actually are thinking of going ska, so we wanted to see what our stuff would sound like with horns.
And the song can be found in my music section.
Jun 15, 2003 09:09 pm Quote:
The whole ethics thing was mostly a joke
Ah, well, I knowa lot of peeps that really feel that they are somehow more of a musician or more of a band because they don't use methods like this, which is funny to me since I pretty much judge by what hits my ear, as most people do.
If you don't use sequenceing and such, thats great, but if it sounds like crap with or without sequencing, it's still crap :-)
And would rather hear good artificially generated music than lousy real music.
Jun 15, 2003 09:18 pm not to stoke any flames, but i always get weird when people auto-tune vocals. i liked being able to hear when the singer would be slightly off in the take. i'm always surprised to hear when they try to pull off some crazy tricks that only sound so precise when a computer is doing it. why not just speak the words convincingly and build the tune with a computer? that would be fun.
Jun 15, 2003 09:18 pm Are you trying to tell me my band sucks or something?
Jun 16, 2003 05:38 am hehehe, no Hero, I know it kinda sounded like that, but I was speaking very generally about bands in general.
Minkus, I agree, natural is cool, but, if they do it right you wouldn;t even be able to know they did it...if they do a lousy job of processing it, then it's the same as if they do a lousy job of singing in the first place.
Jun 16, 2003 10:13 am I know you weren't sayin that... just being a pain!
Hows that horn arrangement coming along?
Jun 16, 2003 10:17 am haven't touched it :-)
I will look and listen tomorrow, if you can, email me a chord structure for the sections so I have a starting point.
Jun 16, 2003 10:57 am yeah i did a little part on the shehnai, but it sounds completely ridiculous! :-)
Jun 16, 2003 11:24 am Chord structure
Chorus: D G A G
Verse: D F C G
Jun 16, 2003 11:27 am Minkus, that shehnai sounds really ... wicked. Is it yours? Do you keep it in your studio? Reason I'm asking is I'd loved to have some samples of that. We could do a trade or something.
dB, I totally agree on the use of samples, even though that's not what Hero meant. On the inlay inside Filter's first album they wrote something like "Filter, being members of the current millenia, freely admit to the use of samplers and other electronic devices" or something like that.
So why do we call Hero "Hero". Isn't he supposed to be "no one's hero"? Maybe we should call him "villian" :O)
Jun 16, 2003 11:40 am Quote:
So why do we call Hero "Hero". Isn't he supposed to be "no one's hero"? Maybe we should call him "villian" :O)
Good point...but he will always be "fuzzball" to me ;-)
I'll play with it over the next couple days "villian"...see if I can come up with anything.
Jun 16, 2003 12:06 pm yes, the shehnai is mine. i got it on apollosaxes.com. i keep it wherever i am...its sound strikes a chord within me. let me know what kind of samples you'd like, and i'll record them as best i can.
Jun 16, 2003 12:30 pm i'm not really sure just yet. i'll email you sometime this week if that's alright?
Jun 16, 2003 12:48 pm for sure. sorry for stealing your thread, villain!
Jun 16, 2003 02:53 pm Well actually you guys can call me Hero, because people around here started calling me Johnny Hero... so yeah. Call me Hero if you want to.
And somebody make a freakin' horn part to the song!
Jun 16, 2003 02:54 pm [translation]
do me a favor out of the kindness of your heart and do it NOW!
[/translation]
:-D
Jun 16, 2003 05:28 pm "And somebody make a freakin' horn part to the song!"
Read that with your best Strong Bad voice.
Jun 17, 2003 09:49 am strongbad, checkin' the emaaaaail!
Jun 17, 2003 02:06 pm lol, i know...just playing with ya
Jun 19, 2003 05:25 pm Dude, whats the bpm of this? I am guessing your recorded this without any real bpm and just flew with it, eh? That will make it aweful tough to sequence anything to it.
Jun 19, 2003 07:43 pm Which is exactly why I wanted real horns on this...
Jun 19, 2003 07:46 pm Ya, I suppose, well, I tried dude, I really did. If I actually played I horn I'd help ya out...
Jun 20, 2003 01:13 am hey Hero, check this out: That shinai that Minkus has got? It might not be what you're looking for on this track, but it's sound so cool. Think of that Offspring track "Come Out and Play" with the funky middle-eastern sound. I know that was a guitar playing that line, but you get the idea.
Jun 20, 2003 01:42 pm Quote:
You two are weird...
we're the sane ones!
Jun 20, 2003 11:53 pm I know a few horn players that might want to help out, but alas, I'm still out in the boonies here, look me up in a week or so, and I'll see what I can do for ya.
W.
Jun 22, 2003 07:31 am the boonies are the boondocks, BFE, the middle of nowhere... yeah, the middle of nowhere. Waldo's in the "middle of NoWhere"
Jun 22, 2003 07:36 am Please Note Sarcasm:
hmm, that clarified it no end... are you drunk dude?
Jun 22, 2003 11:13 am I'm out of town, sitting on a ranch, looking after the animals for folks.
W.
Jun 22, 2003 11:16 am flame, us yanks call anywhere that is WAY out in the country the "boonies", Boondocks and all the other words that drunk Jamie used :-P
You brits don't know a good slang when ya read it...hehehe
Jun 22, 2003 11:22 am Quote:
Only, I'm Canadian...
Please Note Sarcasm:
Well, we don't hold that against you
:-)
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