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Posted on Apr 23, 2008 04:47 am
fortymile
Member Since: Jan 18, 2003
pennsylvania chooses hillary.
no wonder, really. that's what happens when an election is decided by hundreds of thousands of insular grandmothers, which is essentially what happened here.
but i want to raise a different point. democrats are losing recent elections because they're basically being conservative. recently, in a panel discussion, i heard a dem woman say, about barack, 'are we going to nominate another unelectable democrat?' well missy, do you understand why we got kerry last time? it's because ya'll got afraid and went with the safest choice. which was also the most vanilla choice. which meant you chose nothing, essentially. and 'nothing' is very easy to beat.
do you see a connection here? hillary's 'nothing' is her naked ambition. it's the foundation of her candidacy. people are going with it because they're afraid, and it therefore makes them play very safe and be conservative.
at the same time, though, PA is an insular state that doesn't pay much attention to the outside world. i bet kansas is more wired in than PA is. i believe this race was largely decided by senior citizens and rural white guys influenced by their senior citizen grandmothers and the entire culture. people don't vote for 'change' in pennsylvania for one simple reason: nothing ever changes in that state. go visit it, and marvel at the storefront signs, unchanged since 1968.
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Apr 23, 2008 08:52 am My biggest disappointment with the Democratic party is the way they are currently beating on each other. I don't believe that the party will be able to recover in spite of themselves. McCain must be lickin' his chops as he watches the DFL self-destruct.
I had hoped that Obama would be able to rise above the Hillary-bashing that seems to be in vogue lately. Oh well...
Apr 23, 2008 08:57 am I agree with Jim, the Democratic party is totally self destructing...Hillary will sacrifice her entire party's well being for her own ends. I don't believe the same from Obama...I believe Obama is mostly playing defense (mostly) against the Clinton machine...the Democrats only real vision that is common among all reps is that repubs suck...other than that, they can't get together for anything, and it'll be the death of them.
I get a gut feeling Obama is mostly lip service, I do believe he has good speech writers, if he does get into office and makes it to serve his term (I still have thoughts if he wins some radical white nutbag supremist will take him out) it won't really change much...but who knows.
Honestly, I don't have much hope in any of the three...McCain is closest for me, but still to far to get to excited about.
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Since: May 11, 2002
Apr 23, 2008 01:07 pm I heard a report saying up to 24% of Pennsylvania Dems will vote republican no matter who won the primary because the party is so polarized... and they'd rather have McCain over the opposing dem.
Republicans arn't 'much' better off... almost all of the party activists are Ronulans... but nobody (ok a few) who doesn't support McCain would vote democrat. I mean... _still_ the ONLY republican candidate road signs I've seen are for Ron Paul.
Apr 23, 2008 01:08 pm McCain is just barely a republican...he's a very centrist fella...
Apr 23, 2008 01:29 pm "i bet kansas is more wired in than PA is."
(Dunno how to quote stuff)
Obama won Kansas.
There were a lot of old people, and a lot of them only said "Say you were gettin' an operation. Would you want a surgeon fresh out of medical school or one that has more experience"
Which is a bad way of looking at things, because Buchanan had more political experience than any president in history and had a failed presidency. Same goes for Andrew Johnson, who was impeached.
On the other side of little or no experience you have Abraham Lincoln, who is looked upon as one of the top three presidents had very little experience before becoming president.
Apr 23, 2008 01:31 pm comparing the job itself of today with the job when Abe was doing it is...well...incomparable.
Apr 23, 2008 05:32 pm db, just fyi, obama writes a lot of his speeches himself, and then they're tweaked and polished and added to by speechwriters. this is not a hard and fast thing--he's a busy guy right now. but he wrote the 2004 DNC speech, and by and large he wrote the majority of the race speech. he's a good writer. his memoir, dreams from my father, is like literature.
Apr 23, 2008 05:37 pm hate to send you to the daily kos, but the link there points to an updating blog, so i can't find the original post. but:
www.dailykos.com/story/20...6770/569/465227
he wrote the race speech himself in two days.
Apr 23, 2008 06:15 pm Yeah, I have heard that, fine, he writes decent, but as soon as he departs from his planned talking points and has to freestyle, he says/does some stupid ****...
Apr 23, 2008 06:24 pm yeah then he goes into stumbling professor mode. i kind of like that mode too, personally, as i have always enjoyed long, boring lectures.
Apr 23, 2008 06:27 pm Bush fans should love Obama then :-)
I can only say, again, that I'm rooting - and possibly voting - for Obama, only because his voice is the easiest to handle. Four years of listening to Hillary or McCain would seriously hurt my feelings.
OK, McCain may die from old age in office. Then what, Hucklepee? Lawdy. Thank God for the mute button.
My quality of life doesn't change with each presidential administration. I'm voting the personal comfort ticket.
Apr 23, 2008 06:53 pm I can't say I like McCain's stances on issues, but I will never dis the guy, his has balls that most people only hope to have...much respect.
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Apr 23, 2008 07:21 pm Sadly, Iraq would have/could have been a quick victory if the politicians would have let the soldiers fight the damn war.
...and I am sure you'll never find similar double talk in any liberal candidate...nooooooooo, never.
Apr 23, 2008 08:47 pm Too bad Nixon's dead. For entertainment purposes alone, we could really use him right now.
Resurrect Dick!
Apr 23, 2008 09:13 pm Hey now fortymile. My wife and I did everything that we could to get the evil witch out of PA. But she took to many lessons from the Bush Cheney play book. One thing that they did not report on the news, was the tampering with the voting machines that took place.
Do you know that one of the counties in PA never reported any returns? The whole night, Chester county never posted any numbers at all. Not that it is a heavy democratic strong hold. But we never saw any numbers at all from it.
Also, they never reported that over 17 polling places in Philly shut down during the day, because of voting machine problems. There were over 4 million new registered democratic voters in PA. The numbers do not reflex that. Many suspect that evil witch supporters had tampered with voting machines. But nobody wants to start the blame game right now. Due to the constant bickering that exsist now.
On the bright side. The evil witch is out of money. She is way in the red. Fingers crossed. She'll drop out due to lack of funds!
Apr 23, 2008 09:42 pm Hell, I think this current election has plenty of entertainment value itself...
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One thing that they did not report on the news, was the tampering with the voting machines that took place.
...and out come the tinfoil hats...
Apr 23, 2008 09:45 pm Nah, on hats. Only covering the windows.
Apr 23, 2008 09:56 pm they reported on the philly voting machine problems, actually. although i've heard nothing to suggest hillary supporters were behind that. what i heard was that a lot of them malfunctioned and that people in line had to wait for a few hours and many of them left. they were old and unreliable machines, though. jeez what's so hard about voting machines? we can do machines. we're all about machines. same thing every election year somehow, though. the news never reported chester county, though, as far as i know.
actually, i think it's ok for conservatives to support the confederate flag, solely because they basically kind of have to. in other words, if a candidate says some things about it being a symbol and a heritage, fine. it is--its more than that, but that's one of the things that it is. if you're a republican, you've got to win votes in the south. so you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. i kind of see it as a thing that any serious republican candidate could be 'trapped' into saying at any given time. much like any serious democrat has to basically be for removing troops from iraq immediately. i always saw that as primary talk. i don't necessarily think hillary or obama would actually do that. they might, but they just as easily might not once they take office and get intelligence and talk to advisers, etc.
Apr 23, 2008 10:12 pm If they did report that, that is great. The only problem is that no old machines exsist on Philly. 100% of all of them are the new computerized machines. There has been a state wide push to make all of them the new machines. I don't know the percentage at this point, but it can be checked by going to the committee of seventy.
Either way, I don't think that it matters all that much. I believe that she only gained 12 more delegates then Obama did. So, not enough to make a difference. The popular vote is still in his favor as well. She is still counting the Wisconsin and Florida votes.
Apr 23, 2008 10:33 pm by old i think i meant 'tested and found extremely wanting' recently. the stories i saw said that these types of machine had basically failed and had all sorts of problems in recent elections in NY and NJ or something.
DiemusikString benderMember
Since: Unknown
Apr 23, 2008 11:49 pm At this rate all McCain really needs to do is keep his nose clean. Check out this article on the front page of Yahoo right now.
"Even so, the real winner of the Democratic race in Pennsylvania is John McCain. The most significant number coming out of Tuesday night wasn't Clinton's 10 point margin of victory, but 43. That's the percentage of Clinton voters who say they would stay home or vote for McCain if Obama is the party's nominee in November."
Heres the rest.... news.yahoo.com/s/time/200...rimarywithnoend
Apr 24, 2008 01:13 am November might as well be next year. There's a lot of potential embarrassment to be had in the next six months.
Let's hope for some things like these -
"Hillary's High School Senior Portrait Spotted On Obama's Desktop."
"McCain Reveals Gay Vietnamese Lover."
"Mitt Romney Passes Gas, Ruining Possibility Of VP Pick."
"Congressional Act Eliminates Electoral College. People Finally Decide."
Maybe that last one's a bit of a stretch.
Apr 24, 2008 03:45 am i agree that the dems are basically helping mccain. it's all the fault of hillary and hillary supporters, though.
Apr 24, 2008 04:35 am here's an underreported story. some food for thought. obama's campaign has so far predicted the future...better than perfectly.
the projections below were made by the obama campaign before any voting began.
here are the results so far. (hillary vomit yellow, obama salmon):
the obama campaign got one result wrong: maine. they thought they’d lose it, but they won. they also technically won texas in terms of delegates. (texas had both a primary and a caucus, so it’s confusing.)
the one or two mistakes they made ultimately were conservative ones.
check here for the other projections not listed in the first chart. they too are lockstep:
www.dailykos.com/story/20...9854/465/467349
finally, tim russert comments on this phenomenon at :45 seconds.
it's just kind of interesting and uncanny. this was their plan to win, and so far they've outperformed it.
Apr 24, 2008 06:25 am
Apr 24, 2008 06:52 am haha weird
TallChapAnswer:On a good day, lipstick.Member
Since: Jun 24, 2004
Apr 24, 2008 10:51 am First time in years that the Dems have had any game, and they fight like children.
