Jul 13, 2007 03:06 pm Some of the best live shows I ever saw were John Paul Jones solo stuff...absolutely amazing musician.
led zepplin....
Posted on Jul 13, 2007 02:45 pm
whosyourdaddy00
Hold 'Em Czar
Member Since: Dec 30, 2004
that is nuts!
here's the whole song
208.65.153.253/watch?v=og...ted&search=
[ Back to Top ]
Jul 13, 2007 03:06 pm Some of the best live shows I ever saw were John Paul Jones solo stuff...absolutely amazing musician.
Jul 14, 2007 05:38 am i gotta bump this one...seriously...these guys did Stairway 10 yeas before Page! that's nuckin' futs!
Jul 14, 2007 01:08 pm here's the whole dirty story....
but i already knew most of these, zep was pretty unabashed about being real when it came to covering a lot of blues. the stairway thing i did not know about, but it does in fact take more than an intro to steal a song, and page embellished on this with the addition of notes on the b and e strings among others. zep has always been one of my fav bands because they were so upfront about loving the blues. and what major pop act hasn't come to power on the back of lesser known songwriters, outright covers, and melodic "theft". you could call out the stones for this, or the yardbirds, or hendrix even. interesting to talk about, but nothing that is going to make me think less of any of these bands. now, jimmy page constantly using capos w/his acoustic work, that's something to get up in arms about ;)
peace.
Jul 15, 2007 12:08 am Anyone that was into Zep back then knew they toured and opened for Spirit for a good while. And Page was never anything but open about the fact that Stairway had that riff that was similar and Randy California was proud of the fact that someone (Page) thought enough of his work to use a similar riff in a song that was to become an anthem of the time.
Pity is back then any musician was proud to share his creation with other musicians and have their riffs duplicated or copied somewhat. Now the money grubbing managers and record companies want to sue you if one lousy note sounds like something one of their artist's wrote. Too bad for music as a whole that this is the idiocy we now face. I was way back then, and will be willing to share my music with anyone that sees fit to use any or all of it in anyway they like.
Jul 15, 2007 01:28 am There are only twelve notes in a musical octave, and there are probably only eight or nine that will work in a given key while still making sense to the average listener.
There's almost no such thing as 'new music'. Most original melodies have already been written. Songwriters face the challenge of putting new twists on previous themes. The longer we go, the harder it gets.
As for the Stairway riff: it's just another thing in A minor.
Jul 15, 2007 03:07 pm Yeah, you can't copyright a chord progression/intro/solo etc. any how. You could use the chord structure note for note of Stairway and as long as the melody is different enough you'd be fine. I remember in the '90's there was a deal goin around that Zep was a sync band and that maybe this is where that rumor came from, did get some write up in some big papers.
With blues I think most of that has fallen into the common use area that really only the lyrics have any real protection. If that weren't the case the blues would have been dead long ago.
In the end every body sounds like somebody else, so like herb said these days it's all about just trying not to be blantant about it. :)
Dan
Jul 15, 2007 04:00 pm Quote:
There's almost no such thing as 'new music'.
i disagree...
i too used to think this EXACT same thing...but time and time again, i'm proven wrong.
listen to Morphine or Sleepy Time Gorilla Meusaum and you'll see there ARE ppl doing NEW things with sound....always
Jul 15, 2007 04:28 pm WYD, I always have and will do new things with sound. That isn't the point here at all. It is the fact that almost every chord progression that sounds good has been done before in one way or another. There are only so many ways one can use common chords. And even the uncommon chords still end up sounding the same musically as the common ones in the end.
While I do agree that there are tons of new ways to use them, in the end it is still the same or similar melody that gets used. Even when doing samples of a garbage can lid it will still end up similar in some way to something that has already been done before.
Jul 15, 2007 05:29 pm I've never heard Morphine or Sleepy Time Gorilla Meusaum, but I'm fairly certain they use the same musical scale everybody else uses. If not, I really would like to hear it. That would be interesting.
Jul 16, 2007 04:32 pm i can say Sleepy Time plays some 'notes and progressions' but they're more of an alt noize rock band....check out "sleep is wrong" or "party like it's 1997"....and don't forget there are more scales in other countries that don't even use our 'western' 12 tones.
Aug 07, 2007 12:46 am Get the led out!!!
some of the most incredible musicians and songwriters of all time....
I pay homage!
Aug 07, 2007 01:44 am I was in a Zep cover band for a year. We called ourseves Coda, and we were good. Had a lead singer that sounded just like Plant, and a brilliant guitarist that might has well have been Page. I learned Bonham's licks.
But after a year, enough was enough. I love(d) Led Zeppelin as much the next guy, but it just got too damned depressing. Mainly because of the stupid hero worship of Zep that our guitarist and bassist were bathing in, and the associated alcohol consumption.
I had to get out of that band because I was considering heroin. Well, not really, but close. I'm just thankful that I got out before I became completely jaded about listening to Zeppelin.
Since that gig, and to this day, I have to be careful about my consumption of heavy blues.
Aug 07, 2007 06:57 am i would say there are more than 8 notes in any key that make sense to the average listener. the flat 3, flat 6, and flat 7 should be included. maybe sometimes the flat 2, too?
i don't think most original melodies have been written.
Aug 07, 2007 09:07 am Herb, that's interesting, and that is my experience with most tribute bands, and the reason I have avoided them. There is always an almost juvenile hero worship that founding members of tribute bands generally have.
The funny thing is of a few I have known, those people can play any riff by that band, you play anything outside of that and they get a stupid look on their face completely dumbfounded...
I hate tribute bands.
Aug 07, 2007 08:38 pm While admittedly I having to confess to having played more then my share of covers. And for awhile working for a company back in the 70's that will remain nameless, but who sold records of compilations of artists that were marketed as The Original Artist's and the average listener would never know the difference. Yes, we were that good, note for note. And even voice's that would pass for the real thing. Those of you old enough will know the record company(s) I am talking about.
Anyway, I was offered on numerous occasion's to play with a couple different tribute bands. I have to say I honestly thought it would be nuts.
I have watched several cover bands that I thought were tremendous, but as stated. The big head syndrome is more then I can take. Once is enough for me.
Aug 08, 2007 08:17 pm I can't say I've ever had the desire to play in a tribute band, but I wouldn't have minded playing in a cover band. To me no matter how good a tribute band is I don't really see the point. I saw Rain back in the day, but it held no special interest to me seeing them. They were about as good a Beatle tribute band as there is but they aren't The Beatles. :)
Dan
|
Related Forum Topics: |
If you would like to participate in the forum discussions, feel free to register for your free membership.