MIDI in doesn't function in Cubasis after loading new VST instruments

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Hi guy's
I'm using Cubasis VST 4 with an EMU 1212 card. After loading up a couple of new VST instruments, and trying them out in the default songfile that opens up when you start cubasis, I tried going to an already created song and not only do the VSTi's not work but the MIDI in doesn't work. Now if you play an already created midi file in that song, the MIDI out works. But, if you open another new song, then the MIDI in works again. I know, I should spend some money and get something else other than this "pile" called Cubasis, but until I have the money to spend, this is it for me.

Any Ideas?

Thanks,
Gary

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jimmie neutron
Member
Since: Feb 14, 2005

Jan 30, 2006 10:17 am

Cubasis has some issues with CC messages & "re-setting" instruments, in addition to the use of emulated midi ports. I've been going thru some old posts and can't seem to find where a fellow "fixed" his a while back... try
www.emu.com/support/askus/emailform.asp?CRSStatus=
(EMU tech support) and give them all the details of your system and your problem. Give them a couple of days to get back with you. btw, which EMU driver version are you using?

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

Jan 30, 2006 10:34 pm

BavPol, you need to tell each VSTi which midi track it should listen to. Then you as well need to tell each midi track which midi input port is is going to listen to.

When you want to play a VSTi live it needs to be associated with a midi track that is ponted to the VSTi as its output. That midi track must also have the midi input port you are running your controller to assigned as its input port.

If you are just using an allready recorded midi track that isnt one of the demo tracks you must as well tell it which VSTi you are sending its midi notes to.

Member
Since: Sep 10, 2005

Jan 31, 2006 09:03 am

Thanks for the suggestions.
Jmail,
The driver version I have is: 5.12.01.0496.

Noize,
I'm not sure I fully understand what you're telling me, but I'll go back to the manual and try out your suggestions. I'm new to VSTi's but not to MIDI. In fact I still have a hardware MIDI sequencer around somewhere.

I understand what you're saying here:
"That midi track must also have the midi input port you are running your controller to assigned as its input port."

This is what doesn't make sense:
On the already recorded track, which I recorded in Cubasis. The Midi input port is set up, same as it was when I recorded it. Now, after I load up these VSTi's, the MIDI in no longer functions, but the midi out does function. This is without even using any VSTi's, just the MIDI ports for input and output to control my external keyboards/sound modules. I can't seem to find any settings that are different from the new song to the old one that that was working correctly, just the other day.

Weird...........

Anyway, I appreciate the suggestions, and I'll keep pluggin away at this.

Gary



Member
Since: Sep 10, 2005

Feb 02, 2006 02:28 am

Figured out a workaround for this, but I haven't figured a fix. I thought I would post just in case someone else is having unfriendly thoughts about our Teutonic software "friends" across the pond becuase of this "feature" in Cubasis.

Doesn't seem to have anything to do with MIDI channels or ports as far as setup goes. What does make a difference is that the 1st song I worked on , after installing the new VSTi's and Fx, was in C:\nblues\nblues.all. At this point nothing that I try to use in that folder will accept midi input, however, if I take an arrangement of that song, say untitled.1 and open it from any other folder then the MIDI in functions, just as it did before. Any arrangement I try to open while I'm in C:\nblues\ has dead MIDI input.

Why is this, I don't know, maybe the same reason that "400 Years of German Humor" is one of the 10 thinnest books you'll ever read.(Before you politico-correctness types start up, I'm half German so I can make fun...Ha ha).

I'm still wondering why this only happens after I put some new files in the VSTplugins folder. This is actually the second time it happened to me, and both times it was after installing new plugins or VSTi's. So at this point, I'm wondering how much I'd have to spend for some lower end version of SONAR. Or maybe, there is another multitracker that will handle VST plugin's and has a reasonable MIDI implementation, that doesn't cost an arm and a leg? Any suggestions?

Gary

Czar of Midi
Administrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002

Feb 02, 2006 11:03 pm

BavPol, you can get into Sonar pretty low end really. And the best part is whent he time comes to upgrade, they dont forget their customers.

Sonar Home Studio 4 can be had for $99.00 as zZounds and the XL version is $159.00 there as well.

Member
Since: Sep 10, 2005

Feb 03, 2006 06:07 pm

Noize,

I downloaded a demo version of Sonar 4 producer last night and have been fooling with it. At first it was intimidating, but the tutorials helped out. Cubasis was a little daunting at first, but this has way more "STUFF" than cubasis. The thing that I was worried about is whether I have enough of a PC to run the app(athlon 1.5GHz, 640meg), but so far it doesn't seem to be any more CPU intensive than Cubasis VST4 that I've been using. I see a lot of used copies of Sonar 4 producer on ebay, maybe I'll go that route, or perhaps I'll take another look at the differences between that and the home or XL versions to see if I really need the extra stuff anyways.

Gary

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002

Feb 03, 2006 06:14 pm

Used software is often illegal, I don't believe Cakewalk has a license transfer option...eBay isn't exactly the right place to buy software...

License transfer policies very from manufacturer to manufacturer, and many don't allow it at all.

Member
Since: Sep 10, 2005

Feb 04, 2006 01:07 am

DB,
So all that software they are selling on ebay is illegal(the cakewalk stuff, anyways)? The obvious question is why has no one cracked down on ebay for "facilitating" this sort of thing on the internet?
Enough waste of bandwidth over that. I have been trying to find some kind of a comparison between the SONAR home studio XL and the pro versions cause all I have to go by is this downloaded demo of producer 4. I looked on the cakewalk site but didn't find it. I'd like to know what features XL and home studio don't have that the SONAR pro versions have. Does such a comparison exist? About all I could find was a comparison of the studio and the producer versions.

Gary

Administrator
Since: Apr 03, 2002

Feb 04, 2006 06:46 am

Yeah, most of it is, most software licenses don't allow transfers, if you read the descriptions much of it is burned CD's and stuff too...eBay is too big to monitor every single auction I suppose, they do take action on auctions that are reported though...

LOTS of illegal stuff goes on on eBay.

I have reviews on this site of Home Studio and Sonar...Sonar has unlimited tracks and comes bundled with loads of cool softsynths, effects and other cool stuff the HS doesn't...and that's just for starters.

HS is a great entry level program, Sonar is 10 times what HS is, the only real question is if you would use all the cool stuff.

Oh, and the current version of Sonar is v 5.

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