Rebuilding The South
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Posted on Sep 16, 2005 07:49 am
dbmasters
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Well, I listened to Bushies speech last night...pledging all our might to rebuilding New Orleans and the surrounding areas, to fix what went wrong in getting aid there and other such things.
Well, first off, my support of Bush is officially gone, but my concern for America lingers on...let's discuss...
Fixing the gov't lack of timely response is partly to blame for the problems, obviously, and it should be fixed...perhaps by hiring people that actually have EXPERIENCE in disaster management would help...
The rebuilding part I am at odds with. The area was partly a vibrant community and partly very poor neighborhoods and town. Now, add to that the fact that keeping it out of the ocean is a tremendous job since it is below sea level the pump and levee system infrastruicture is costly, and obviously not perfect, as demonstrated in this recent disaster.
With that, is it worth rebuilding the area, or letting mother nature claim what is rightfully hers? Either way, very sad and very hard times for the citizens of those areas, but, is there really value in doing this rebuilding? Or, better served letting these people move out and perhaps getting a fresh start in a new area...
I dunno, man against nature, nature usually wins...
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Sep 16, 2005 09:18 am They should rebuild it and put those people back where they were. I live near Baltimore (MD), and they brought buses full of them to surrounding suburbs to live with people that would take them, (mostly church going families). The crime rates have gone up, some of the people coming in have already gotten arrested for drugs, and many of the families have been robbed. I don't know what's wrong with these people, but we do something nice for them and they return the favor by making Baltimore even worse than it already is.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Sep 16, 2005 09:20 am My Bush support is waning as well.
Nature wise, as someone else posted earlier, there's been talk of this happening for years. New Orleans can't withstand a major storm / hurricane.
Having experienced a somewhat similar situation (total house fire) I'm not going to subject myself or my family to the same oppurtunity for disaster. We're taking steps to remove the trouble that caused our disaster.
I would feel the same way living in the underwater areas around N.O. I would not want to rebuild in the same place as what succumbed to the force of Ma Nature. Especially if it's under sea level.
If I was there, going though this, then I'd be looking for a different area to settle in.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Sep 16, 2005 09:24 am Good point Andy, I'm not for punishing other people that are being nice and generous, but I'm just thinking that if it were me, I'd look elsewhere to live. Seing as how the area is shot for now.
Course, this assumes the fact that someone has insurance. In my case, we did. I think in lots of the cases around N.O., they may not, and may be totally unprepared to handle this disaster. That will certainly make things more complex.
Sep 16, 2005 09:25 am Yeah, I do understand the relocation issues, some have come to Minnesota as well, though I have not heard of the problems you describe.
I just don't want to spend yet more billions that my kids will have to repay to rebuilt an area that is SUPPOSED to be underwater, and will be again someday...
That said, I surely see all sides of the issue clearly.
Sep 16, 2005 09:27 am i say if your going to rebuild find a different area why set ourselves up for this just to happen again sometime? arent we supposed to learn from mistakes?!?!? the whole levy thing is sketchy to begin with...Also is it me or are there alot more hurricanes making it to our shores these days? just seems like the past few years have been way above the average, i could be wrong.?
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The crime rates have gone up, some of the people coming in have already gotten arrested for drugs, and many of the families have been robbed. I don't know what's wrong with these people, but we do something nice for them and they return the favor by making Baltimore even worse than it already is.
i hardly doubt the crime rate has gone up in less than a week? you got proof? my sister lives in downtown baltimore and she hasnt said a word to me about it?
Sep 16, 2005 09:30 am I would say it is likely VERY localized to the neighborhoods that took in the people...
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Also is it me or are there alot more hurricanes making it to our shores these days? just seems like the past few years have been way above the average, i could be wrong.?
OK, this is where fortymile comes in with a long explination about global warming...
forty? you out there?
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Sep 16, 2005 09:37 am I've seen a few things on the science channel (or similar) that states that we're in an active hurricane timeframe, that can last from 10-15 years up to 25-40 years. The last one ended sometime in the sixtys.
They did attribute the warming oceans to the onset of this active hurricane period though. 1 degree warmer ocean water can have a big affect on the world's climate.
There was a hurricane show on science channel that explained the 4 or 5 hurricanes that hit florida during 2004. They were bigger, and didn't have the same dissipating factors that hurricanes usually have. This aired right after Katrina hit, how coincidental.
Sep 16, 2005 11:37 am What I was saying wasn't that the official crime percentage has gone up in a week, but that people that have been moved to Baltimore from Louisianna have committed crimes already. It's been all over the news and local papers the past few days. Also, they weren't put into downtown Baltimore. They were put into residential areas surrounding the city. Yes, they have caused problems.
zekthedeadcowEat Spam before it eats YOU!!!Member
Since: May 11, 2002
Sep 16, 2005 02:59 pm ...and on the flipside of evacuee housing I'm running into a number of ultraleftys who seem to think that the internment shelters are evil... I've never heard people claiming to be democrates militantly demand the abolishment of homeless shelters before...
Sep 16, 2005 03:13 pm Interesting point zek.
Ya know, my wife and I routinely go thru our clothing, old things and things we don't wear any more or that don't fit us we often donate to good will, homeless shelters, battered women shalters and the like, we do the same with kids toys and such...this year we gave a lot and are going to give more.
We thought it'd be nice to give it to hurricane victim donation points. These people lost EVERYTHING. Well, it turns out they only want BRAND NEW stuff with the tags on them...
WTF? Isn't something clean and in good shape better than nothing?
Sep 16, 2005 04:05 pm Unfortunately, it's getting harder and harder to GIVE these days! Same thing at Christmas. They'll only take NEW toys and NEW jackets. We've tried to donate stuff..NICE jackets that were barely worn. Sorry...no tags...not brand new...can't take 'em.
What the $#%@$# is the matter with this world?
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Sep 16, 2005 05:47 pm Quote:
What the $#%@$# is the matter with this world?
In Canada we have various charities that would eagerly accept these types of items so the problem isn't everywhere.
Sep 16, 2005 06:05 pm Well, here we just gave boxes and boxes of clothing and toys to Good Will, and we generally do to the vets or Salvation Army as well, some some charities consider themselves "above" that is something I find just disgusting.
"Oh, you lost everything, here, have this coat off my back so you don't freeze"..."No thank you, sir, it isn't shiny new, I'll freeze instead."
WTF
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Sep 16, 2005 09:35 pm I wonder if the people with nothing share the collector's sentiments.
I know that after our fire, we were swimming in donated clothes, almost none of it new, and we were grateful to have it.
Sep 17, 2005 01:15 am Remember the Tsunami? they took all the used clothing and items they could get and never complained about it. I guess we're just all a bunch of spoiled Americans, or something. Hell, if i lost everything I had, i would GLADLY take anything i was offered.
