Aug 25, 2005 06:56 am service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
goes into one of the mixers aux loops
You will need some adapters to get the XLR's to go into a little sound blaster input.
Help on setting up :(
Posted on Aug 25, 2005 04:45 am
fredzs
Member Since: Jan 07, 2003
Im getting a Behringer Eurorack UB1222FX-Pro since it has 6 XLR inputs for 6 mics..
my sound card is an SB Live Value :( im planning on connecting the main outs of the UB1222FX-Pro to the line in of the sound card.. but i dont know how since the main outs is XLR ..
also, I know i need a compressor.. how do i connect that and whats a good cheap compressor since il be recording Metal music :(
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Aug 25, 2005 06:56 am service.bfast.com/bfast/c...mp;bfmtype=gear
goes into one of the mixers aux loops
You will need some adapters to get the XLR's to go into a little sound blaster input.
Aug 25, 2005 08:16 am is there an XLR > 3.5mm adaptor ?? O_O
also, so il only be using one main out ??? so it will be in mono ? :(
Aug 25, 2005 08:31 am I doubt it...but you could maybe get a 2 XLR to stereo 1/4" then a stereo 1/4" to a stereo 3.5mm...
argh, buy a soldering iron and make one, or get a card with 1/4" inputs...I suggest the audiophile 2496 for under $100...or under $100 at times...
Aug 26, 2005 12:50 am but the Audiophile as no 1/4 inch inputs ?? only RCA and Midi ? isnt there any cheap interfaces with 2 XLR inputs ?? so i can use the direct Main out of the mixer ??
How about the Delta 44?? If i get that, how would my setup be??
sorry if i sound so dumb... i hope ur not irritated
Aug 26, 2005 08:45 am Can you use any other outs? maybe the tape out to 1/8" stereo. That may be easier to find. Also, if you're only wanting to use the mains out, to benefit form the balanced output, then you would have to use a balanced input on the recording device. Either a xlr input, or a 1/4" TRS input jack. Both of those are few and far between for the low-budget home recorder.
A short RCA to 1/8" stereo should work out alright. Though you may want to upgrade to a recording interface in the near future. The Delta 44 would be a good solution. It would give you 4 inputs instead of 2. And you could use the channel inserts, if you dont need to compress the incoming signal. Otherwise you'd have to get creative.
Looking at the mixer, it doesn't have sub outs, but does have monitor output. If you're using a compressor on the aux, or on an insert, you could send 1 & 2 out left and right monitor, and 3 & 4 out left and right mains. That would give you 4 outs, but still have the compressor in the aux, or devices in the inserts. This is providing the monitor is stereo, which it probably is.
Or, if you don't use the insert for compressor, nor need compressed signal through the aux, you could use channel inserts to tap 4 signals off the first four channels. this tap would be pre-effects, and pre-fader (i think).
Aug 26, 2005 08:49 am I have never seen a cheap interface with XLR, but, the ESI Juil@ has the option of 1/4" or RCA...it's just like the audiophile plus has optical outs...oh, and lower latency.
Aug 26, 2005 02:48 pm can i use the tape out ?? getting a converter RCA > 3.5mm ?? then plug it in my mic in ?
Aug 26, 2005 03:02 pm ya had me saying "yeah, good idea, dude" until the "mic in" part came up.
Run the tape out into the LINE IN. RCA > 3.5 stereo plug cables should be pretty easy to find.
Aug 26, 2005 03:06 pm tape out will work, others here use that. monitor out should work as well. Control Room out would work as well. The reason I was thinking monitor, is that you can separate two tracks to only output on the monitor jack, whereas tape will output everything that's active (you can see it in the faders)
You wouldn't plug the cable into your mic in though, you'd want the line in. Mic in utilizes the preamp on the sound card, which is most likely very bad quality compared to the preamp on the mixer. Plus, you don't want to preamp your signal twice; once in mixer, then again in soundcard. Only once.
Oct 28, 2005 06:10 am guys.. i would just like to ask if having a basic setup of Snare/Bass/2 OH would pickup the Tom tom sound ?? Or i could have Snare/Bass/2 OH and 1 LDC in the front of the kit ??
i would like to really minimize my spendings.. cause i originally planned on getting the UB-2222FXPRO and get the Nady DMK-7 and a MXL 990 LDC mic.. the Nady on my kit and the 990 for the room sound... but the question still remains, will i get enough toms on the 2 OH without the cymbals killing too much of the toms ??
Thanks.
btw, the Line In input of a soundcard is Blue right ?? Thanks :)
Oct 28, 2005 06:20 am One of my best drum recording to date was with 3 mics : ). 1 over head, snare, kick. Sure I don't have a lot of control over the sound, but the kit sounds great. I placed the OH in the middle of the kit, pointing down towards the gap between the left and right toms. So yea, I think the over heads will pick up the toms well enough.
Make sure to experiment with the placement of the mics. I was thinking you should place the quite close to the kit, but, as high frequencies lose energy more quickly than lows, it might be better to place them further back. Hmmm, I dunno, I might have to experiment myself. Also, try putting a lot of low mids in the overheads EQ.
My Line In is blue.
Oct 28, 2005 06:22 am Oh yea, since your recording in mono, it might be better to use only one over head. This would exterminate phasing issues between two overheads summed to mono, + you could use your MXL on the two rack toms, and your other over head mic on the floor tom.
Oct 28, 2005 01:27 pm I used a LDC (sp b3) in front of a kick, it really opened up the whole kit. I don't think you'll need the kick mic if you use an LDC down and out from the kick. Certainly worth a go, if you've already got it.
Oct 28, 2005 07:49 pm My favorite 3 mic set-up is LDC about 2 ffet out from the kick and right at the top of the kick height wise. The 2 small diaphrams over head. That set-up gives a really nice room sound as well.
Nov 09, 2005 02:20 am what do u guys think would be a better choice ??
getting a Shure PG 4 Piece set first and getting an SM57 for my snare(il be micing a 7 piece set).. then getting 2 SDC for the overheads later on and an LDC for the room mic ??
or just get a Nady 7 Piece with 2 Stereo Overheads...
im thinking of just getting the shure since their better than the nady's ... the tom mics would probably pick up all the cymbals ??
my setup consists of
so my plan is like this :
the 4 Piece PG set contains, one pg52, 3 pg56
8x10 and 10x9 = 1 PG56
12x10 = 1 PG56
13x11 and 16x16 = 1 PG56
22x16 Bassdrum = PG52
and an SM57 for the snare.. would that work ?? would it get enough cymbals ?? Thanks..
Nov 09, 2005 09:44 pm fredz, you have the right idea to start with going with the Shure kit. IT is much better by far then the Nady kit. Then adding the 57 and the SDC's and an LDC after are absolutely the right direction. That will give you a great mic kit for your drums. The tom mics may not pick up the cymbals the best but they will definately pick them up. Maybe just not as bright. I would suggest the SDC's for overheads would be the next step if you are buying them over time.
As for the 57 picking up the cymbals's, yes but it will be picking up the Hi-hat pretty heavy so be carefull.
Nov 10, 2005 08:02 pm my drum room is really small.. around 10-12 feet on both sides. length and width. would a LDC room mic be helpful ? or would it be better to use the mic input for the hats ??
Nov 10, 2005 09:35 pm I'd think an LDC would work, just don't try it as a room mic. Keep it kinda close to the kick, Noize says 2 ft, I did mine around 1.5ft and use the pad if it's got one. If not, then pull the gain down on that channel, cause it's gonna be hot. Should be a good sound though.
Don't use the mic in, it's probably going to have a preamp built in to it. the preamp on the card will probably be not-so-good, so I'd avoid it. I think you'd be better using just the mixer preamps, and going line-in.
Nov 11, 2005 04:25 am but il have a kick mic .. would it matter if i put it around 2 ft from the kick ?
Nov 11, 2005 09:10 am I guess that depends. See Coco's post about encouraging drum mic techniques.
I didn't have a designated 'kick' mic when I was doing this. My cheaper mics weren't picking up the livelyness from the kit all around, so the LDC really helped in all areas.
I'm thinking that with the shure set you've mentioned, you'll probably be in pretty good shape already.
I don't think the LDC as a room mic will help, seing as how you're working in such a small room. You might just end up getting mud, and conflicting sound waves. I do think, though, that two SDC as overheads would do you well. Noize mentioned a while ago that he used the Samson C02 (i think) SDC pair as overheads, and he was impressed. around 100$ if I remember correctly.
Nov 11, 2005 09:13 am I'll add too, that positioning the mics will have a great impact on the sound. I set up with my drummer once, and he went for 1.5 hr getting the mics positioned. It's a lot of trial and error. Expect to spend some time, and it'll pay off. Though it should get easier as you get more used to the kit / sound / mics/
Nov 11, 2005 09:14 am Hmmmm, setting up mics never gives me problems with Battery 2, Velocity or Jamstix...and they don't drink my beer or steal my girlfriends either.
Nov 11, 2005 09:18 am wise words =)
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steal my girlfriends either.[/quote]
Does the Mrs. know?
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Nov 11, 2005 09:22 am hehehe, well, Ok, said more for impact than reality :-)
Nov 13, 2005 09:43 pm ok more trouble guys .. sorry ehe :(
for example, i just laid down my drum tracks.. then its the guitarists turn to record.. how does he listen to the drumtracks? i mean play back ? im using a Behringer 2222FX-PRO then tapeout to line in of my PC. how do i connect it ?? also, how do i connect my monitors ?
Nov 14, 2005 04:10 pm Seeing how this discussion went from mixer setup to drum mic placement, i was wondering if any of you guys might want to help me out. How do you think Rode NT1-A's would do as overhead mics? Cause im on a tight budget and i already have the Nt1-A's for guitar/vocals so do you think they could possibly work out for overheads on drums? cuase then i'd have a shure beta52 for kick, a sm57 for the snare, and then 2 Nt1-A overheads. whithout spending anymoney would be sweet.
thamks a lot guys,
-Melty
Nov 14, 2005 04:12 pm It surely won't hurt to try...it's better than nothing, if you are on a tight budget, make due with what you have.
Nov 14, 2005 04:54 pm lol yeah, im going to try anyway, i was just wondering what you guys would predict. what is a decent pair of mic that would go good as over heads?
Nov 14, 2005 10:16 pm ok more trouble guys .. sorry ehe :(
for example, i just laid down my drum tracks.. then its the guitarists turn to record.. how does he listen to the drumtracks? i mean play back ? im using a Behringer 2222FX-PRO then tapeout to line in of my PC. how do i connect it ?? also, how do i connect my monitors ?
:( :( :(
Nov 14, 2005 10:57 pm Meltdown, you should be able to use the Rodes without any problems as over heads. Just make sure you set them up so they are not out of phase and you'll be good to go.
Nov 14, 2005 10:59 pm fredz, your moniters should be connected to the main outs of the mixer, and youcan send the headphones to the drummer. Your line out from the audio card should go back to a couple of channels on the mixer.
Nov 15, 2005 09:13 pm but how do i do it? since im not gonna use monitors, just HI-FI speakers (sorry low budget) how do i connect it ?? i can connect my A/V Reciever to the green(headphone) jack on my soundcard, but how do i monitor it through headphones when my drummer or guitarist is tracking??
and i connect the line out of my soundcard to the stereo channel in the ub2222-fxpro?? err, where can i just read a manual or something so i wont bother u guys anymore :( sorry...
Nov 15, 2005 10:05 pm Does the UB2222 have headphone out put on it? That would be were you should plug the headphones in for them to hear what is going on.
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