Please need advice from the pros
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Posted on May 10, 2002 12:36 pm
sal
Member Since: May 10, 2002
Ok heres the deal im in a five piece metal/hardcore band in a few weeks we are going to begin to record our first demo we are doing this ourselfs and want the best quality possible so i was woundering how you the pros would record the demo with the equipment we have available heres a list of the equipment.
1. ADAT STUDIO PACK this includes the Lx20 the proccesors etc.
2. ADAT EDIT
3.ZOOM EFFECTS PROCESSOR
4.A LOAD OF good MICS
Any sugesstions will be greatly appriciated.
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May 10, 2002 02:39 pm Well, I am not an ADAT user, and very few of us here are, if any, you may be the first :-)
I don't see in you list of gear any mixer or pre-amping capabilities. What are the five pieces? one drummer, one bass player, two guitars and a screamer? Are there any background screamers or just the lead?
georgeContributor
Since: Apr 14, 2002
May 10, 2002 03:20 pm Hiya Sal. It would help us help you if ya told us what ya got in your load of good mics. With your ADAT Edit, do you have a computer? Do you have any software, or just the ADAT Edit software? Talk to ya soon. George.
salMember
Since: May 10, 2002
May 10, 2002 10:46 pm ADAT-LX20
ADAT EDIT
Studio 24 MIXER
The NanoCompressor
The NanoVerb
Gateway 300L
Powered Monitor System
The PS-3.1
ZOOM EFFECTS PROCESSOR
4 SHURE SM57
2 SHURE SM58
CHEAP NADY DMK3 DRUM MICS WHICH WORK SUPRISEINGLY WELL
Audio Technica Pro 25 MIC WHICH I LIKE ALOT
2 PVM 520I MICROPHONE
I BELIEVE THATS ABOUT IT
May 10, 2002 11:55 pm OK, that answered the gear part, now, what about the availblity of a PC, and how many vocal parts in each song?
You have the essential gear, you have decent mics, a compressor a mixer and effects processors, so you are set. now it depends on your lineup...With some basic assumptions I would dedicate two tracks to drums for stereo imaging a track for each guitar (2 I assume) one track for bass (you only have one I assume) and one for vocals, two if you use background vocals, that leaves one extra track (assuming this ADAT of yours is the 8-track ADAT I am thinking of) which I would consider using for the kick drums.
Each guitar, though only being recorded on one track I would mix a couple of mics, one right on the amp and one a few feet back from the speaker to give the sound some spacial quality.
If you need more than that for tracks then we need to discuss bouncing tracks, which is a whole new ballgame.
Please, keep your responses to this topic Iin this thread, I don't wanna have to move another thread...and we try to keep related conversations in a single thread not scattered all over the forum.
georgeContributor
Since: Apr 14, 2002
May 11, 2002 07:04 am Hi Sal. Until we hear back from you on the computer, I'm going to assume you have a capable one, and can mix down there. We'll recored the drums first, and overdub the rest of the band. Start with the AT pro 25s as overheads.( A great mic, by the way) Cross the mics at about a 90 degree angle(head of the mic) about 4-6' above the snare. Your listening for a nice balance between the toms and cymbals.You can also try both mics pointing straight down, about 4 feet apart. If it sounds like all the bass disapears when you listen to both mics together, you have a phase problem. Try moving one of the mics slightly, or(I would recomend) purchasing a phase reverse cylinder, for about twenty bucks. Put the peavy 520 just outside the hole in the kick, and point it at the beater. Sm57 on snare, 2 inches above and 1 inch in from the rim. Point it at the center of the snare. (this is where you learn how good your drummer can tune drums. Most ring can be eliminated by tuning.)Cut a dead ringer in half, and that should be about the perfect amount of damping. Otherwise, get some weatherstripping with adhesive on one side. You can control the amount of damping just be trimming a piece. Put your Nadys on the toms, same placement for starters. Your other 520 might sound better on the lowest tom. If you have tracks left over, put the 58 on the hats. Aim at the center of the hats,on top, away from the snare(as much as possible) where the drummer won't hit it. EQ: overheads:low cut switch(anywhere between 80-150hz) slight boost with high shelf. Kick: boost at 80, cut at 350, boost around 2-4k, depending on felt or wood beater, cot with high shelf. Snare: Boost around 240 if thin, 1k for crack, cut around 300-400 if sounds like "cardboard, boost around 4k for more stick. Toms: Bottom is between 80-240 depending on tom, cut around 350, stick attack is around 2k. Since you only have one compressor, try it out on both the snare and kick, to see which one it helps more. Stupe, Sharc, Did I miss anything? Good luck, George.
