Updated: Are You Gonna Be Around

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I just finished up the the new mix with a new drum track, and new vocals. This is the one that will be on the CD project going on here. I'd appreciate any suggestions for improvement before I submit it to Noize or whoever is going to do the final mastering.

www.homerecordingconnection.com/m3u.php?id=419

Here is the previous mix, for those that want to compare.

www.smokinhq.com/starting...round%20v4o.mp3

Thanks

Dan

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Hello!
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Since: Jan 12, 2004


Jan 08, 2005 05:58 pm

Well Dan...

I said it before but this is a bloody good song. This version (like the last thing you redid) sounds cleaner, clearer and more accessible to ma lugs.

I think the drums are good, but I liked the other drums too. These ones are probably better sounding actual drums but again, your drumming is good on all yer songs as far as I can see. Is that yer new lectric drums?

I would say the geetar sounds fatter (lead) on this one with less rhythm in your face this time. Again, I liked your original too. Tho, as a lead guitarist and as I always say as MAINLY a guitarist, I appreciate to hear a good solo and yours is good so thats better for me - know what I mean there?

That said, notch up that sharp choppy rhythm a little I think and you are there.

Vocals - equal to better than your original - again, I think they are possibly a bit better than the original but mainly due to the clarity stuff.

The main improvements I hear in this is the guitar solo cleaner and better and fatter, drums better and overall, more pleasant (thats not saying the orignal wasnt tho - see - you cant really better too much a song I really really liked mate...I guess - a compliment).

Anyways, good work as always Dan.

Coco.

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Since: Jul 02, 2003


Jan 08, 2005 06:14 pm

thanks for the input coco.

The drums more accurately are just the samples off my Roland, for the kick & snare with the same programing. I'm not yet capable of actually playing them to this song, it's too dang fast, I top out at around 125-130bpm. <G>

Vocals, I don't know if they are really any better but it sure easier this time around so I'm making progress there. They seemed loud enough and all in the mix?

On notching up the sharp choppy rhythm, you mean bring those guitars up a bit in the mix, or cut some of the sharpness?

Thanks again coco, this is how mixes get better. :)

Dan

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Jan 08, 2005 06:17 pm

Aye, Dan, just bring up those guitars in the mix. Nothing else is needed..I just mind them coming in dead powerful with the original and they are a bit less distinctive this time.

Which, I think, is good. Just a little too low I think. I only know this cause of your stuff, its my fav track I thinks. So, I played it a lot. I do like that solo tho, makes me think aboot buying an SG for sure, wearing shorts, a cap and sweatin a lot with folk shouting "Angus....NA NA NA NA NA"...ahem, well, not really, but gid solo my friend.

Drums - aye - they are good. I think that Roland you are using is darn good. Vox are fine too - you find it easier to sing as ye get older - good stuff, I find it easier due to experience now but I heard many folk complain they cant sing how they used to...man, if I sung how I used to, I'd never have ANYONE listen to ma stuff - hehe.

Anyways, good work.

Coco.

Czar of Cheese
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Jan 08, 2005 06:18 pm

Well, Dan, Coco hogged all of the stuff I was going to say! It's a great tune...my 2nd favorite of all of the ones you have posted, and I think we all know which one is 1st favorite!

This is VERY professional sounding and I too am particularly impressed with the geetars!

Keep up the good work!

Jim

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Jan 08, 2005 06:20 pm

By the way, I'm seriously considering buying an SG (though probably can only afford the Epi model.) Yours sounds great!

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Jan 08, 2005 06:25 pm

Hey Jim...

It has to be RED, it has to be the cherry red type that looks like the man himself. Then, you just need the shorts, cap and bucket loads ay sweat....

Can ye hear it...>ANGUS.....NA NA NA NA NA....ANGUS.....NA NA NA NA NA....

hehehe.

Seriously tho, a top, top guitar. And the Gibson model these days is not a bank breaker I believe unlike my most cherished dream possesion...a custom shop Les Paul of tabacco sunburst variety....but alas, at a cool 3000 - NO CHANCE!!!

Coco.

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Jan 08, 2005 06:27 pm

I gotta get me a better computer...but I'm waiting for the download...like Coco, I really liked 'Are you gonna be around'.

In fact, I remember it so well, I can sing it.

Cheers olddog,

BM:-)

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Jan 09, 2005 03:27 am

Thanks Jim, looks like I won't have to do much more fiddling with it.

I've been extremely happy with my SG. I've had it now for 27 years and I still haven't found any other guitars that I like as well. The range of tones is great. I think if I was to buy a new electric it would be another SG. :)

Oh, and I'm working on the one you like best! :)

Dan

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Jan 09, 2005 03:39 am

Quote:
Vox are fine too - you find it easier to sing as ye get older


No I haven't found it easier as I've gotten older, much harder as a matter of fact cause I've lost alot of the range & control I had. The control I think I'm slowy getting back but I think the range is gone for good :)

But from when I did the first recording/mix a bit over a year ago of this one it was much easier this time to do the vocals. Each song I do along with the little practicing I do is finally starting to pay off. :) I probably should re-record the whole song, I could probably do it better, but I've got new stuff I want to get to done so this will have to do.

Cheers!

Dan

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Jan 09, 2005 03:45 am

Thanks BM, I wanna hear ya sing it! <G>

Dan

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Jan 09, 2005 05:03 am

Lol...nah...I mean...I liked it so much, that I could remember the words, even now...d'oh...sometimes I amaze myself with mah communication skills. :-)

Cheers,

BM:-)

Czar of Midi
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Jan 09, 2005 11:04 pm

Well OD, I liked the lst mix alot but you really did pump it up so to speak on this mix. I am not sure about turning up the guitars though, (no offense coco) they sounded pretty clear on my rig.

I am gonna listen with a bit more volume tommorrow as its a bit late to be turning it up tonight.

But indeed it is sounding good to me.

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Jan 10, 2005 12:14 am

Thanks Noize.

I tried today bringing up the guitars and I don't think I got as good of mix. I know what coco is talking about but when I raised them, the rest didn't sound as balanced to my ears, and I lost some of the definition in other parts. Part of the reason was I had to redo the Ozone settings from memory and I don't think I hit them close enough. :/ On my system the guitars do sound pretty clear, easy to hear though as well. Listening to both mixes I think I got a better one with the one posted right now.

Here's the alternate mix.

www.smokinhq.com/starting...06b1-altmix.mp3

To my ears the first one is the better of the 2, but I could be wrong. :)


Dan

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Jan 10, 2005 05:22 pm

olddog, I'm just listening to the original mp3 you posted in this thread (not the previous mix or alternate mix). I have to say this is sounding really really good. Really good. I think this is my favorite song that I've heard of yours, and I've liked everything I heard so far. The vocals are cool cuz it sounds like you've got 3 or 4 guys singing with you. I don't have any critiques or suggestions for this one. It sounds great!

Hello!
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Jan 10, 2005 06:33 pm

Yous are in fact correct guys - nae worries. Olddog, on reflection, I do think your first new mix was best i.e. not the last one but the one before!!

So, Im gonna clean ma lugs. Again, top song my friend...ditto Coolo's comments.

Coco.

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Jan 10, 2005 07:27 pm

Thanks coolo and coco. I just couldn't get the alternate mix to gel. I was hoping I would cause I think the snare is a little to quiet in solo part and a couple other spots so I had raised it a bit in the mix too.

Of course unless Noize wants me Ozone it too, He's the one gonna have to do the multi-band compression etc, + harbal to get it sounding good, so I'm off the hook. <VBG>

Dan

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Jan 10, 2005 08:56 pm

Hey Dan,

I don't seem to be able to get the new version posted in the first post at the top of the page to play...grrr...I don't know why.

But I was able to listen to the alternative mix. I think this song has a great feel to it. The harmonies...is that you doing the two lines or did you use something like autotune or something? Because I enjoyed that part in particular...its quite complex for a listener...I think...and for a singer.

I like the way the lines and the songs are always building...almost...like intensifying the lyrics.

I like everything about this song...sorry I haven't got the ability at this stage...to advise re the actual mix.

Cheers,

BM:-)


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Jan 10, 2005 09:25 pm

Thanks BM! Not sure why that won't work for you, other than maybe you'd need to go my Profile/Music and click on it there.

The harmonies are all me, no auto-tune or other harmonizer type thingys :) Glad you enjoyed them, the harmonies in the original '82 version weren't as involved as these. Now that I have more tracks available I'm able to do stuff I couldn't back then. :)

Dan

Czar of Midi
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Jan 10, 2005 11:45 pm

I think the snare stands out more on the first mix alternate mix up at the top of the thread here. I may try and monkey with both of them though and see what comes out of it.

I'll listen a bit more and see if I can think of anything to fine tune it.

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Jan 11, 2005 12:32 am

Cool Noize. I'm going to upload the wavs of the 2 mixes tonight and you can grab one or both of them whenever. I'm just gonna start uploading before I head for bed since it'll take awhile to upload.

Should I upload the pre-Ozone mix or Post Ozone minus Maximizing?

Dan

Czar of Midi
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Jan 11, 2005 07:31 pm

I think the first one you posted in this thread is the one I liked best, is that pre or post? Either way, I think you had pretty good mixes going so what ever you are favoring. But yes, not maximizing would be great, leaves a bit of headroom if needed.

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Jan 11, 2005 10:52 pm

The one I posted is fully processed including Maximizing.

I'll post both the first mix pre Ozone, and Ozoned, but no maximizing and you can use which ever works best for ya. You can probably make a better mix with one I haven't mucked with yet. :)

Dan

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