Behringer Eurorack UB802 Mixing to PC
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Posted on Dec 13, 2004 02:16 am
pcgamer16
Member Since: Dec 07, 2004
I am very new to recording so I have a question to ask. I am looking into getting a UB802 just to record my guitar and vocals through acid pro 5. I have an Audigy 2 Platinum card. I was wondering if I recorded the guitar and vocals silumtaneously if it would still separate it into 2 separate tracks in the program, if I ran it through a 1/4" cable out of the mixer and into the card. As I said I really have no clue what I'm doing, I just love music. Please help me with this question. Thank you.
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Dec 13, 2004 02:39 am I dont know much about the 802, but I think it may be lacking the necessary busses to do that. Perhaps the Audigy card is also incapable of doing that, I dont know. But here's an idea. Run one mic for your guitar to your mixer, panned hard right. Run another mic for vocals to your mixer, panned hard left. Once recorded, separate the stereo track into two mono tracks and voila, simple track separation without all the routing fuss.
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Dec 13, 2004 02:42 am Actually, to record both at the same time, and record to two seperate tracks in ACID, you will need a sound card/audio interface with 2 seperate inputs. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the audigy only has one input.
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
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Dec 13, 2004 02:45 am Actually, after thinking about it, I think my last post is wrong. You might be able to do it if you take the left and right main outputs of the mixer and combine the two mono signals into a stereo signal and do like what guitar lord said. Though, honestly I don't know if this is possible, but should work in theory (I think).
Dec 13, 2004 02:50 am Coolo, I have actually been using this procedure to double mic my guitars for a long time. I use a SM57, hard right, right up to the cone and a Marshall MX990, hard left, about 2 feet back. After recording, I separate the stereo track into two mono tracks through Cool Edit Pro and am able to tweak the separate mono tracks with effects and such individually. Any yes, it would require a stereo interface for the Audigy card, which I am almost positive it has. Though it would NOT require two sound cards or one of those suped up multi channel input cards. Its the cheap man's way out. :-)
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
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Dec 13, 2004 11:48 am Guitar Lord,
My question is this though, how do you go from a left output and a right output from the mixer on seperate cables to one stereo input on the audigy.
As I was typing, I may have answered my own question. What if you use the headphone jack? Or is there a better way.
Dec 13, 2004 01:20 pm I simply use RCA to 1/8th" cables on my motherboard soundcard. Utilizing the tape outs (Behringer UB1202), I send direct to my soundcard. Its all about the cables baby!
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
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Dec 13, 2004 01:39 pm hunh, shows me what a cable novice I am. Didn't even know they make RCA to 1/8" cables. Thought you might have to put them together yourself.
triproloPslam 34:8Member
Since: Dec 04, 2004
Dec 13, 2004 02:47 pm Guitar Lord, I was told that was a bad idea to run tape out. What I do is run my cables like this.
L/R mains-----> "y" cable ------> 1/4" cable -----> 1/8" adapter -----> sound card
I really don't know. That's just what I've been told
Dec 13, 2004 03:29 pm Triprolo, where can you get a "y" cable to 1/4". Does it just go from (2) 1/4" to one.
Dec 13, 2004 03:30 pm also, does anyone know if it is bad to use the tapeouts?
triproloPslam 34:8Member
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Dec 13, 2004 03:56 pm Yes, (2) 1/4 males which plug into your mains and a 1/4 female on the other end, and not knowing where your from, around here, Good ole Tennessee, you can get it at your local music store or Radio Shack.
triproloPslam 34:8Member
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Dec 13, 2004 03:56 pm And the tape outs give you no EQ's. Mids or highs or so forth plus no Volume level going in.
Dec 13, 2004 07:35 pm triprolo...that is SOOOO not the case with my Behringer UB1202. I get full EQ and my main volume fader going into my soundcard controls the sound going to my computer. In fact, it seems that was the design intention for my Behri mixer. You send your sound through your tape outs to your recording device, you return your recording device to the mixer through the tape ins, and you monitor through the headphones or with monitors through the control room outs. Im not very familiar with the 802, but if it is a two bus mixer, this same setup should be possible. If it is NOT a two bus mixer, then you wouldnt want to return to the mixer from the soundcard, but instead monitor through the headphone jack on the computer itself.
triproloPslam 34:8Member
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Dec 14, 2004 10:52 am Well that seems like a waste to run you sound to the computer, right back out back into your mixer just to hear through headphones when you can just plug phones into your speakers on your computer.
Dec 14, 2004 04:45 pm Not really. The monitors you run through your mixer (Control Room Outs) are FAR FAR superior to anything you'll likely get for your computer as far as mixing/mastering. Since you have to run sound back to your mixing console for that anyway, its actually easier to run a decent headphone from your mixer than it is to get behind the computer (depending on your computer desk of course) to plug in some heaphones. If you run your cables permanently, you have an easy to reach interface for all your sound right there in one package. All IMHO of course.
triproloPslam 34:8Member
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Dec 14, 2004 06:08 pm First thing first. Allow me to show my stupidity.
Whats a two bus mixer.and please be detailed without the big words.
Secondly, your saying I'll get a better sound putting headphones on my mixer instead of running from my speakers on my computer?
Dec 14, 2004 06:13 pm A two bus mixer is a mixer that has "main outs" that generally go to the amp/speakers, and has "sub-outs" which can have one or more channels of the mixer assigned to it, and you can send that sub out somewhere else, such as to the sound card ins.
Regarding the better sound, I dunno why you would get a better sound pluging the cans in to a different jack...
RobertJExcuse Me, I Like 2 Ask QuestionMember
Since: Dec 05, 2004
Dec 14, 2004 06:31 pm have the ub802. let me tell u my way..
Line out from computer >> Tape in on mixer
Main out of mixer>> "Y" cable>>Audio interface LINE IN>> to internal soundcard LINE IN
And then I have headphoned into headphones IN on the mixer
By bringing the LINE OUT of my computer to tape it, when i do vocals i hear the beat and I can also use it to mix and etc... you do get alot better quality and sound by using headphones on the mixer...
not all that sure on guitarlord setup tho.
Tape out- i perfer not to use this
RobertJExcuse Me, I Like 2 Ask QuestionMember
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Dec 14, 2004 06:34 pm on a ub802 there are 2 sub outs right?
triproloPslam 34:8Member
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Dec 14, 2004 11:31 pm yes there are 2 sub outs
Dec 15, 2004 12:48 am From the Behringer Mixer Manual:
Tape Output
These connectors are wired in parallel with the Main Out and carry the main mix signal (unbalanced). CONNECT THE TAPE OUTPUT TO THE INPUTS OF YOUR RECORDING DEVICE. The output level is adjusted via the high-precision Main Mix fader or (in the case of the UB802) rotary control.
If you are recording a signal via the TAPE OUTPUT and wish to listen to this simultaneously via the TAPE INPUT, do not use the TAPE TO MIX switch. This creates a feedback loop since the signal would be routed back to tape via the TAPE OUTPUT.
I hooked up my mixer after poring over the manual for quite some time. The tape outs seem MADE for the task of going to a recording device (Thus the name?). I come back into my mixer, from my recording device (PC), through the tape ins so that I can monitor my mixes through a decent set of monitors. Since I already have all of this hooked up, it is EASIER to use the headphone jack on my mixer rather than my computer. However, this does NOT affect the sound being recorded in ANY way.
triproloPslam 34:8Member
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Dec 15, 2004 09:32 am Yes but if you are a po boy like me, you dont have moniters so I say forget running back into your mixer which in my case I feel is a waste of time and throw some good headphones on your computer in which I don't mind pluging into the back of my tower.
This is the answer to a simple "home recording producer."
RobertJExcuse Me, I Like 2 Ask QuestionMember
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Dec 15, 2004 03:06 pm u should have signal from your comp to your mixer...
LINE OUT to TAPE IT...
Then headphones into the headphone jack on ur mixer
this when when recording u can hear the beat or instrumental. Then when your done recording and you play it back, you still can listen to it in headphones to mix..
this is how I do it.
I understand u think ur "poor", but ur not. Theres people out there with no food, thats poor. Theres people with out comps cuz they cant afford it. So im sure if u can afford a $6o mixer u can afford $15 in cables from radio shack. And alot of people on here work for what they got.And are poor or below average.
If u want a good setup, u gotta put money into it. No always the case, but in this one, yes it is.
cooloFrisco's Most UnderratedMember
Since: Jan 28, 2003
Dec 15, 2004 03:15 pm enh, poor is relative.
Dec 15, 2004 10:12 pm Triprolo, you are correct. Either way will work for the purpose desired. My intent was only to explain why I run my mixer the way I do, as there seemed to be some confusion.
And Robert, the expense Triprolo referred to was the monitors. Not the 15 dollar cables you mention. And as decent monitors can be quite expensive, I tend to agree totally with Triprolo.
gelaynobody is perfectMember
Since: Oct 15, 2004
Dec 16, 2004 05:29 am I remember someone saying that using a 1/4 to 1/8 converter is giving you quite a loud noise!!
i use it though...
triproloPslam 34:8Member
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Dec 16, 2004 09:04 am RobertJ said
[QUOTE]Then headphones into the headphone jack on ur mixer
this when when recording u can hear the beat or instrumental. Then when your done recording and you play it back, you still can listen to it in headphones to mix.[/QUOTE]
I can't get no sound from my headphone while recording if they are plugged into the mixer. I tried that already.
And guitarlord, I appreciate what you had to say.
RobertJExcuse Me, I Like 2 Ask QuestionMember
Since: Dec 05, 2004
Dec 17, 2004 01:04 pm on ur mixer there is a knob called PHONES/CTRL ROOM, trun it up half way. and see if u hear any type of signal...
as long as u have the LINE OUT to your mixer TAPE in, you should get sound, i think u dont have the LINE OUT on ur comp to TAPE IN on your mixer.. thats what i think, check into that
triproloPslam 34:8Member
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Dec 17, 2004 05:27 pm Quote:
as long as u have the LINE OUT to your mixer TAPE in, you should get sound, i think u dont have the LINE OUT on ur comp to TAPE IN on your mixer.. thats what i think, check into that
True, that is true., I'll look into that
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
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Dec 19, 2004 11:19 pm By the way guys, you can get y cables for just about anything. And Hosa has tons of differant adapter type cables with a wide array of ends in just about any config you can imagine.
This page is the y cables, and the 1/8" you refer to is actually 3.5mm. www.hosatech.com/hosa/products/y-cables.html
You can go back to the main page from there and look at all the possabilty's. And Musicians Friend carries most of the Hosa stuff.
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
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Dec 20, 2004 01:17 am Hosas are cool... but I don't think they make a 2x1/4"->3.5mmTRS cable . But Tascams/TEAC "cable division" did... though I forget what they're called... looks/feels just like a Hosa !
Dec 21, 2004 10:28 pm I have a question about editing sound in acid pro 5. After you get the stereo track into the program, how do you separate it into 2 separate tracks to edit individually?
CougarMember
Since: Nov 08, 2004
Dec 21, 2004 11:16 pm ...if I recorded the guitar and vocals silumtaneously if it would still separate it into 2 separate tracks in the program...
Isn't it better all the way around if you record the guitar first, then come back and, while listening to the recorded guitar, do the vocals? I presume acid pro 5 is able to put these on two totally separate tracks that can be edited individually. You could also do the vocals two or more times - on separate tracks - and use the best pieces of each in the final mix. Same with the guitar, for that matter.
Dec 22, 2004 12:05 am yo gamer...i am an angel sent to help u lol......well i think acid might be similar to cubase and cool edit pro when it comes to recording most of these programs are.....and cougar...he could do it silumtaneously on 2 separate tracks and the live feel will make it sound more emotional u know.....set one track to record on one (the left) channel and one track to record on the other (which will be the right) channel...and have those 2 tracks on record and then press record and start to flow......i hope this help....i know it will work cause i do it in my onboard sound ...thats if u have everything hook up correctly like the 2 mono (vocals and guitar) jacks (which ever kind u using) down to the 1 stereo jack (which must likely is a 1/8" on a normal <poor> sound card *lol*) ...its all common sense man once the signals are going tru all the way tru the seperate channels (L&R)....blessed hope i helped
CougarMember
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Dec 22, 2004 10:44 am Quote:
...he could do it silumtaneously on 2 separate tracks and the live feel will make it sound more emotional u know
Yes, that is a consideration, and it sounds like that's what pcgamer prefers to do. But there are a couple of competing philosophies here. One of the first things I learned in home recording is separate everything. It just leaves more options down the (editing) road.
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.....set one track to record on one (the left) channel and one track to record on the other (which will be the right) channel...and have those 2 tracks on record and then press record and start to flow...
OK, this indeed separates the two parts, but is the result really on two different tracks? or are they left and right separated, but on the same track? (which would make selective editing impossible).
Even if I'm right (which is, of course, questionable) couldn't you then send the left (and only left) signal to record on its own separate, new track, then go back and and send the right signal to its own track, resulting in two totally separate, editable tracks?
RobertJExcuse Me, I Like 2 Ask QuestionMember
Since: Dec 05, 2004
Dec 22, 2004 12:26 pm Whats soundcard you using...? Cuz if you got a decent one that has 2 ins then you could play guitar and record vocals on seperate tracks with out any of this left right stuff...
if u have a audigy soundblaster or one not so good, I would suggest playing it seperate.Thats what I would do...
Dec 22, 2004 06:24 pm Quote:
or are they left and right separated, but on the same track? (which would make selective editing impossible).
I know with Cool Edit Pro 2.0, it's possible to separate a stereo track into two mono tracks. I do it all the time. Im sure if CEP can do it, other apps can as well. Once you do that, you can selectively edit to your hearts content.
CougarMember
Since: Nov 08, 2004
Dec 22, 2004 10:22 pm Quote:
I know with Cool Edit Pro 2.0, it's possible to separate a stereo track into two mono tracks. I do it all the time. Im sure if CEP can do it, other apps can as well.
Ah. Well, there you go.
FenderMember
Since: Mar 12, 2005
May 20, 2005 02:16 am I have almost the same setup a ero802a to an audigy sc, but i use cakewalk GTP2. I get an awesome sound with my setup. I use both my aus sends sterro in and aus send outs. I also use headphone jack to control recording outlevel to hear recording while I play.
to record two track at once, ( which I have only tried) is pan mic 1 hrd left, pand mic 2 hrd right. In cakewalk click on record and at the bottom has s,l,r, select left for the mic 1, select r for mic two. ( use sterro to record one line such as vocals alone.
hope this helps, so far I have only tried with two tracks at once.
