Dec 09, 2004 11:07 am oh boy are yous guys in line for some baaaaaad media overage, that is nasty.
Thank you Fox reporter
Posted on Dec 09, 2004 11:05 am
presley_07
Bohemian
Member Since: May 04, 2003
Hey I hope NO ONE thinks this is really what Holland is about
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140612,00.html
It's full of CRAP!
arghh
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Dec 09, 2004 11:07 am oh boy are yous guys in line for some baaaaaad media overage, that is nasty.
Dec 09, 2004 11:16 am Whoa Presley...that Cal Thomas is out to make a splash...no actual facts appear to be reported...
BM :-/
Dec 09, 2004 11:38 am What kind of dork sells himself off to be a reporter, but includes no information or facts relating to his article. He just says things and assumes people will listen and believe him.
A real reporter may have actually investigated the case at hand, maybe found some details to the story. Instead, he just runs his mouth, thinking he's the next journalistic Jesus.
He should be run out.
Dec 09, 2004 11:41 am Dude, thats what most reporters do...hell, thats what finally force Dan Rather into retirement.
Thats why the media isn't realy the "News" as it's sells itself to be.
Dec 09, 2004 12:04 pm <Holland is a perfect example of what happens <when there is no governing moral standard. The <Dutch have decriminalized most drugs and people <smoke dope openly in venues set aside for the <practice. Prostitutes display their wares like <mannequins in department store windows.
and id be willing to bet that the murder/crime rate in Holland is way lower than any state in the U.S.A.
Dec 09, 2004 12:40 pm Hmmmm... Whether it's true or not, I don't think it's going to make a really big splash or anything. It's just a small opinion column, and Cal Thomas is only on at like 2:00 in the morning. He's not really one of the Network's "news reporters".
The column is pretty poorly written, and does lack any form of support. On the other hand, it does seem like kind of a strange thing to pull out of thin air if that's what he did.
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and id be willing to bet that the murder/crime rate in Holland is way lower than any state in the U.S.A.
Wouldn't that be because so many crimes have been decriminalized...?
Dec 09, 2004 01:32 pm quote:
Wouldn't that be because so many crimes have been decriminalized...?
Im not really sure? i guess my point was that i dont think legalizing weed/prostitution would make things worse.
Dec 09, 2004 03:28 pm that slippery slope argument also surfaced in a thread about nearly the same thing, over in the freesquid political forum.
ultimately, cal thomas is just a little seal of a man.
Dec 09, 2004 04:05 pm Cal Thomas is also part of the panel on "Fox News Watch" which is a show that critiques how well the media is doing its job (They don't shy away from discussing their own network, either). It's very interesting, and very honest. Maybe they should have a discussion about this article...
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Im not really sure? i guess my point was that i dont think legalizing weed/prostitution would make things worse.
Well, I would say that at best it wouldn't make anything worse. More than likely it would. The point I was making is that if you take something off of the list of "crimes," then of course you're going to have a lower crime rate since those things are no longer considered criminal activity. You'll still end up with more people doing them. The number of people doing it certainly isn't going to go down if you legalize it. At best it would stay the same and nobody would get in trouble for it. So, if you consider those things bad, then, yes, things will get worse if those things are legalized.
Dec 09, 2004 04:54 pm I'm reluctant to give any credibility to this story without proper context. I personally think that the Netherlands is one of the loveliest countries I've had the pleasure to visit. Very clean place, full of very friendly people. I've even considered retiring there one day!
There's a few rough areas like the Zeedjik (sp?), but every country has them. On the whole, it's a fantastic country. The decriminalisation of drug use (not trafficking), has helped in stemming the spread of diseases such as HIV - with the needle exchange programs - and has been quite forward looking, in my humble opinion, in it's focussing the law on the criminals, and not the victims. I wonder if the reported who wrote this piece of crap column has even been there! He didn't seem to report on any of the positive aspects of the country, which are so obvious and self evident to anyone who has ever set foot in the country. This story seems to be bent toward the sensationalism, rather than credible reporting. Analagising the WW2 era Nazi occupation to the modern day is simply crass.
Where am I? What am I doing on this soapbox?
Dec 09, 2004 09:10 pm Yes, I was in the Netherlands briefly, and found the people there to be extremely friendly. Except when I was in Amsterdam and I was standing in the way of someones bike. I almost got hit like 5 times in two days. But I'm sure that's my bad, cuz I didn't know where to walk.
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So, if you consider those things bad, then, yes, things will get worse if those things are legalized.
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key words are "if you consider those things bad.
Dec 09, 2004 10:15 pm Lol Coolo...everyone gets told off by bikers (aka cyclists) in Amsterdam...yeah...don't take it personal...hehehe!
Cheers,
BM :-)
Dec 13, 2004 05:56 pm Quote:
The point I was making is that if you take something off of the list of "crimes," then of course you're going to have a lower crime rate since those things are no longer considered criminal activity.
umm im talking more of like murder and violent crime, smoking weed even though its illegal i still dont consider a crime or something to even be concearned about. I think having weed illegal causes more crime, drug dealers killing each other for territory and what not. so my point was weed and buying sex dont lead to violent crime. :)
Dec 13, 2004 11:14 pm hardly a reason to bring him into it...
Dec 14, 2004 02:56 am Gorp,
Been to Holland, great place as places go. Fox news exists as all others for ratings, bottom line. Here in Detroit we do things a little differently. The drug dealers have the money and pay the police. We had a shoot out of two gangs on the next street over with AK47's. Fox missed that one. Wonder why? So did all of the other media. Hmmmm.
I kinda think if folks want to mess themselves up they will find a way, law or no. My wife sees more almond eyed crack babies and fetal alchol babies every year in her class. One thing about the whole mess is there is a degree of "self instenction" involved which assists in combating the problem.
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