your spin on reverbs
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Posted on Dec 08, 2009 07:32 pm
Dematrix
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Member Since: Nov 27, 2007
what are the opinions of you guys here on reverbs?
1. Do you go just the 1 for the whole mix at different levels as sends on any instrument?
2. Or do you incorporate several different verbs?
3. If so/or not, why?
4. If you were to do 2 or more, would you try to get the timing and size very similar?
5. when choosing a verb time, would you try to match it to the song tempo if possible?
I kinda like a clear mix, but if i were to incorporate anymore than 1 verb it makes the mix more messy.
cheers.
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cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Dec 08, 2009 09:11 pm Yeah, using 1 reverb and feeding all the instruments the right amount helps me to keep my mixes cleaner but i dont use it as a rule, if there r things that need that extra dose or need an effect ill put a reverb on as an insert and such
I use some very short verbs on my snare sometimes just to make it sound beefier, it doesnt place it in a room so much as almost double track the snare
I dont have alot of rules for verbs, i like them alot and i do end up overusing em from time to time but they add alot of flavor
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Dec 09, 2009 05:16 pm I apply different verbs on my drum buss and one on guitars (very light). They sound different a bit but not so much that they conflict after balancing the wet/dry for each.
Dec 09, 2009 06:44 pm I have been setting up 3 verbs, one panned left, one panned right, and one down the center. Then I send all my left guitar tracks to the left reverb, right guitar tracks to the right reverb, and bass to the center. I'll keep the same settings on each reverb though. Then I might add a different reverb for vocals and maybe use 2 different reverbs on the snare. This might be overkill, I don't know, but it seems to turn out okay. Of course keep in mind that I have been recording DI, so I haven't had any natural verb to deal with.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Dec 09, 2009 07:17 pm i was just mucking around with the reverbs in pod actually.
i put the the vintage plate on the drums to see how it would go.
its a nice verb. im not real keen on the verbs supplied with Cubase, that goes for all the cubases ive used.
the pod verbs are nice and crisp. i only just shoved it on the kit overall to see, so the kick and o/h's have verb atm, but will wait til i convert the midi to audio and then will get a better idea.
Redneck, i have used verbs in the same way you do, in regards to the left/right on guitars before and it seems to work good.
Yeah just wasnt sure on what everyone else was doing and if there were basic do's and dont's.
i am now doing DI for everything bar vox too.
cheers dudes.
Dec 10, 2009 08:09 pm I kind of agree with you on the cubase reverbs. I'll use them but they are certainly not the best. Sometimes I like to use the free Kajereus reverb instead.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Dec 10, 2009 08:44 pm cool will have a look at it.
olddogMember
Since: Jul 02, 2003
Dec 10, 2009 09:21 pm I usually just put the reverb(s) on a buss that my tracks are sent to ie: a guitar buss, drums, vocals, etc. I don't very often add any reverb to the mix as a whole.
I haven't found any reverb plugin's I really like they all sound like crap to me. I'm tempted to hook up my SPX 90 and use external reverb, but the last time I hooked it up I remember it having a hum, which I didn't track down.
Dan
Quincysanhttp://www.unitedmusicians.infoContributor
Since: Nov 11, 2007
Dec 10, 2009 09:23 pm Olddog, your new avatar is awesome. haha
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Dec 11, 2009 08:58 am dunno if you lads have done much metal recording or not, but im thinking its a make or break decision as to what verb/s you use and what timing, not to mention the mix amount.
a busy metal song can very easily turn into mush if you dont get it right.
olddogMember
Since: Jul 02, 2003
Dec 11, 2009 03:37 pm Thanks Quincysan. :)
Deon, I don't do much metal, but I think thats true of most genre's, you can quickly ruin a mix with too much or the wrong reverb. I think reverb has to be one of the tuffest things to get right in a mix.
Dan
Quincysanhttp://www.unitedmusicians.infoContributor
Since: Nov 11, 2007
Dec 11, 2009 05:32 pm Definitely can see how reverb could get convoluted when using different timings on different instruments, especially in busy metal.
What do you do, Deon? I imagine it would be impossible to nail a chunky guitar sound with disorganized verb...
I know a lot of metal guys use a little slapback delay in the effects chain to get the tone super-thick. I imagine it would be important to make sure all guitars use the same timing for the slapback delay? Maybe not? Do you run it through an additional room verb with all the other instruments too?
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Dec 11, 2009 07:40 pm well i was mucking around with a few different ones (not all at once) and found that pod farm had the best ones (verbs)
I went for a vintage verb with the tone up fairly high and the decay under half.
seems nice on the drums and the guitars too.
Verb really does take the attack off things if ya go too crazy with it.
havent really run the guitars thru any additional Fx at all.
Last night i double tracked the guitars and im thinking maybe no more FX on them would be the way to go.
Ive mucked around with delay but not reall keen on that sound.
I play guitars and vox to answer your question Quince.
In fact for this stuff, im doing everything. SD2 for drums though.
HuePinnipedal Czar (: 3= Member
Since: Apr 11, 2004
Dec 17, 2009 09:36 am Deon...
1~ Sometimes. With this 'new' process that we've been using as of late, we'll end up with one verb on the whole mix. Part of this process is keeping things simple, so we apply that concept to the application of effects, as well.
2~ This is what happens when we are recording track by track. We may end up with a different verb for the backline, than the ones used on the vox, and guitar tracks... or, sometimes it's the same verb with different amounts of the signal sent to the verb-bus.
3~ The reasons for this are purely dictated by the song, and what sound we're looking to get through each approach. Sometimes we'll go with the same approach as a paralelle compressed track, and use different panning on each one.
4~ Aain, dictated by the work at hand.
5~ The only time I get 'mathmatical' with the timing of time-based, is with delays.
The one thing that I find that can do to alot help get your verb to do it's job properly,(outside of choosing the right 'flavored' verb) is to take that 'right' verb, and EQ it to sit well with the rest of the song. A reverb-plug with an EQ section built within it, is the way to go. Also, getting your pre-delay set right is an important, and often overlooked aspect of a reverbs parameters.
Overall though, I agree that applying reverb can be quite the tricky aspect of the mixing process. It's so important to help make tracks sit well, and play nice together within the mix, and so easy to screw it up by using too much, or the choosing the wrong one altogether.
Dematrixhttp://www.reverbnation.com/2ndgMember
Since: Nov 27, 2007
Dec 17, 2009 07:38 pm hey Hue, thanks mate.
It seems from most here, and from what ive tried and liked is,
sending a verb to any given side on the instrument on a mono track is a go.
just sending the verb from a centrally panned track muddies things up for metal.
