Cakewalk audio 9, trying to help a friend but not 100% on his problem
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Posted on Mar 07, 2008 05:53 pm
mixedtheories
Member Since: Feb 25, 2008
I have a friend who still uses cakewalk audio 9. He requested my help and i havent used that program in a long time so i wanna see if anyone can help. He sets up his tracks he intends to record vocals on(say track 2-?) and when they are armed and he begins to record he see upon play back that it has recorded his track containing his instrumental(say track 1) into this new recording doubling the instrumental, making the instrumental loud and overpowering. I havent used cake9 in a while and am not sure what to tell him. I believe its an easy fix though...So what he now has is vocals and instrumental saved in the tracks he only intends vocals to be in.
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TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Mar 07, 2008 06:40 pm Its more than likely his sound card and not the software. In the control panel for his sound card, look around for an option called "what you hear" or something similar. Make sure that it's unchecked and you should be good to go.
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Mar 07, 2008 06:54 pm "What u hear" and "Stereo Mix" are the two I have seen before. Definitely would be my first thing to check. He would want to make sure "Line In" or "Mic In" are selected vs. either of the two mentioned.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 09, 2008 08:24 pm Yep, I'll third that as well. Its the sound card for sure and he will need to uncheck the option that was mentioned above.
Mar 11, 2008 06:00 pm You Guys are wrong!!!!!
I currently use cakewalk pro9. It is not his sound card but the way he has the recording options set up. Go into recording options and change the check box from sound-on-sound to single tracks. This WILL fix the problem. Sound card problem?...hmmm sounds like somebody needs to do a little more research before offering advice!
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Mar 11, 2008 06:25 pm Somebody needs to take a chill pill before connecting to the internet...
This problem surfaces about once every 4-8 weeks around here and about 99% of the time its the sound card option "what you hear".
If that's not the case this time then congratulations! You're awesome!
Mar 11, 2008 06:47 pm ...and the other 1% it's a routing issue.
Mar 11, 2008 07:02 pm Where is this "what you hear" option? I actually have never seen this. Is this a windows vista thing or what?
CptTrippsCzar of Turd PolishMember
Since: Jun 20, 2006
Mar 11, 2008 07:08 pm *trying to bite tongue*
Yeah, we all use cakewalk 9.... :p
As stated this problem crops up around here like clockwork and I see no problem with at least checking the sound card.
Fact is, you don't know for sure that he does not have already have that box checked and the "what u hear" would have the "exact" same symptoms.
If you want to rub it in someones face if you in fact turn out to be correct, do it elsewhere. Even after being a member for only five days I would think someone would realize this is not an elitist messageboard.
Try talking to people like you would face to face and there you have HRC.
edit: It's under the windows sound control panel, used by people who record using the onboard audio cards.
Mar 11, 2008 07:36 pm Sorry if I sounded condescending.
I'm not trying to be. I actually enjoy helping others with issues that I have already faced many times. I truly am sorry.
Here is where I am coming from...
If the tracks are being recorded over the top of each other and combined, why would the sound card settings have anything to do with this issue? Any audio coming out of cwpa9 is in stereo, L and R, provided that there is only a single sound card installed. If the track has been recorded snd-on-snd is the only track being played, it will sound no different than individual tracks being played simaltaneously through cakewalk. A good way to determine this is to vary individual track levels during playback and see if the unique audio on the individual tracks differ from each other. I would be willing to bet that changing "what you hear" will only affect the simultaneous playback and record feature of cwpa9.
As far as hardware goes:
I use 4 onboard Yamaha stereo sound cards to create a full 8 channel wide mix in and out on my portable pc based studio.
Again I am sorry for coming across so strongly! I have been doing home recording for a long time, starting with old analog reel to reel tape using 2 channels and sound on sound. I am also a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer. I would like to help if I can....
TadpuiI am not a crook's headMember
Since: Mar 14, 2003
Mar 12, 2008 02:17 pm OK so maybe I overstated when I said that its the sound card 99% of the time. But its still a high percentage, like 70% or so. Then about 25% of the time its the user introducing a feedback loop into his/her monitoring setup. Then maybe 5% of the time its something else.
Debate is a good thing, but we tend to get snappy when somebody comes across with an attitude. We're friendly folk around here, and you'll find that we all respond to mutual respect and kindness. No reason to get nasty with anybody here.
Anyways...
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If the tracks are being recorded over the top of each other and combined, why would the sound card settings have anything to do with this issue?
What happens is that some sound cards have an option that will cause the card to capture ALL audio output. This includes system sounds and the summed audio signal coming out of the multitrack app. It's like putting a microphone in front of your computer speaker. That entire summed audio signal is then combined with whatever the user is recording and it all gets dumped to any armed tracks.
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Any audio coming out of cwpa9 is in stereo, L and R, provided that there is only a single sound card installed. If the track has been recorded snd-on-snd is the only track being played, it will sound no different than individual tracks being played simaltaneously through cakewalk
It will sound different, and that is because of the inherent latency of the cards that usually support this (admittedly retarded) option. Soundblaster, AC97, SigmaTel, etc. are the main offenders here. What happens is that the signal being recorded from the sound card's input has low latency but the signal being recorded from the sound card's output (due to the "what you hear" or "sound on sound" option being enabled) has latency introduced into it because it has to go through the card's output and back into the input.
So what you end up with is a slightly delayed signal that contains everything that you're playing back. It manifests itself as an echo or a phasing/flanging effect, depending on the amount of latency.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Mar 12, 2008 10:25 pm Hey Rocker, I don't mind sounding condescending.
The Sound on Sound you think is causing the problem will not do what he is having issues with. It only deals with one specific track at a time. And that track is not armed so it cannot record on it.
It is simply the track is playing back and being re-recorded onto the new track. If you read his post completely you would have gathered that information.
