Feb 01, 2003 12:28 am Don't forget the Oktava 012's for instrument micing. The 319 I can gurantee you will love for vocals and there are often good sales on the 012's which do a fine job with instruments.
Buying some microphones!
Posted on Jan 31, 2003 05:24 pm
Jamie Garrett
Contributor Since: Sep 09, 2002
I know this has been asked before, but I just wanna make an informed decision.
I'll be getting my income tax return checks soon and I'd like to finally plop down some money on some decent mics. I have several needs to be met, and the first and foremost is that I cannot spend an arm and a leg. I need an instrument mic, prefferably two for stereo images. And I also want something sensitive for vocals and quiet stuff. I'll be doing alot of sampling of all kinds of differnt sounds, from percussion and string instruments, vocal samples, and various noise-making anythings. so...
At first I was looking into a pair of Shure SM57s because they're only $80 a peice and they're infamous for being indestructable. Next I was concidering the Oktava MK-319 ($120 with shockmount) as my serious mic. I figured the pair of 57s and a 319 should cover everything I want to do.
Then I read more about the AKG C1000S ($299 pair) and started to think that a pair of these might actually handle all of my needs, for about the same price. Acoustic instruments, cabinet miking, and vocals. And to top it off they can be powered by a 9v battery.
Am I gathering all this correctly? Can a pair a C1000s really fill my needs? Or are there other avenues I should be exploring? I trust everyone's opinions here, so lay it on me. thanks in advance! -j
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Feb 01, 2003 12:28 am Don't forget the Oktava 012's for instrument micing. The 319 I can gurantee you will love for vocals and there are often good sales on the 012's which do a fine job with instruments.
Feb 03, 2003 05:34 pm Yes indeedy doo. Guitar Center is selling the 319 or the 012 for $99.00 right now. So I do believe Musicians Friend being owned by GC should sell them for the same price.
Feb 03, 2003 07:08 pm AKG C1000S's are great micophones, my friend owns a pair and I regularly borrow them. They make exceptional drum overheads and sound very good on Acoustic Guitars.
As for Vocals and Cab Mic'ing - well, they do it, but it's far from amazing (In my experiences, The Mic'd cab sound in particular was too thin and wirey - not what I was after at all - but then that could have been mistakes made on my behalf?)
I would personally reccomend a pair of Rode NT-1's (God I go on about these things) - they really are amazing value for money and out perform nearly every mic that I have worked with. Tho, having said that I am considering an Oktiva 309 for my next purchase after all the good feedback from you guys.
jues.
Feb 04, 2003 12:06 am Yes Jues, the 319 is absolutely amazin! And good point about the NT1's. I forgot all about them. They are my mainstay. Very articulate mics. They are a little crisp, they boost high mid frequencies a little, so I do often run them through a soft eq to bring them back to flat. But if an ant farts in the room you will hear it and recognize it as an ant fart! Rode is having a sale on their anniversary NT's right now too! NT1-A's or some suffix like that, if forget.
Feb 04, 2003 12:29 am booo. the 319 is horrible. had 2. returned them because of the horrible tinny-ness. go with AKG 3000 for a warm vocal. or rode nt1 will ALWAYS do the trick. i do stress a no go on the oktava crap.
Feb 04, 2003 01:07 pm wow, that's the first anti-319 prop ive heard. does anyone else feel this way about the Octava?
and Walt concerning the ant farts, are you talking about the NT-1? Cause that may be the one I'm looking for. Sounds like it will pick up everything!
Feb 04, 2003 08:23 pm Yup, That's the NT1 alright! Good for spying on the neighbors too! Seriously, the NT1 is real sensitive. The first time I put them on I thought my cat had emphisima!
Feb 05, 2003 05:25 pm 319 Tinny? That is absolutely absurd. You must have gotten used and battered one's. I have never heard a 319 sound like that, and I have owned 4 of them. And know about 100 people who also own them. If anything, the NT1 is crisp and slightly tinny. The MK319 is the big warm fuzzy. Full and warm, with lot's of bottom end, and absolutely no tin. If you ever try one again, maybe you should try recording with no EQ turned up on your mixer. Again I will state emphatically that I have never heard a 319 sound tinny or crispy for that matter, unless someone has cranked the high end up on the EQ when recording. Or maybe recorded direct into a SB card with no pre-amp. I know it is also going to sound like crap if you don't have phantom power to it.
Feb 05, 2003 11:31 pm i just realized the NT-1 is twice what i want to pay. i think i may be going with the MK-319 + (sm57 x 2)
the more i look around, the more i think i want one of everything!
Feb 05, 2003 11:51 pm And I think Musician's freind will match the $99.00 price guitar Center has on both the 319 and the 012 right now.
Feb 06, 2003 04:19 am And in the begining there was an ominous hum from above, barely audible to the human ear. Emenating from beyond the furthest reaches of the universe. The sun, moon, and stars faded into an empty abis. Time lost all dimention and the sound became all as if to fill every sense. The angles sang and the ear transended fear and knew great joy! The undulating rap passed quickly as it had came; rolling like thunder through the heavens! "Da 012, 319....012, 319.....da...da.
Feb 06, 2003 08:00 pm Walt, are you insinuating in some way that I was acting, um, shall we say, like I thought I was the almighty, all powerfull, all seeing, Wizard of HRC?
OK, so maybe I was a bit heavy on that post. But I am correct am I not? It would take an act of god to make an MK319 sound tinny! Of all thing's that mic is, or is not. It is deffinately not tinny. So let the thunder clap, and let those who sin and lie, be the first to cast a bagel my way. I stand behind what I said, there never has been and never will be, a tinny sounding MK319.
Now the 012 is a bit crisp, but that is another story.
Feb 06, 2003 08:34 pm Eeee-Gad no! Niet! Nine! etc.
My sense of humor gets me in so much trouble. I should refrain from excersizing it unless I can watch the person's reaction. I agree with you fully. I don't understand the one post about the 319 being tiny either. Not my experience by any means! And the 012's are great per my perception for the cost as well. I was more teasing Jamie, in that three posts have mentioned the 319 and 012 and I firmly believe that this is good advice. You are kinda one of my all knowing Wizzards, but that was not the intent of the post. It was intended to say that the thread contained good information and complement our Russian friends for their accomplishments.
Yow! I feel like I have great case of hoof in mouth! Excuse me while I go find my mint flavor socks!
P.S. Thank you for calling me on the rug on this one. In all seriousness! Much better we air thoughts up front. I am planning on developing our friendship further. My thoughts anyway!
Feb 06, 2003 09:43 pm OOOOOO Walt. I was only joking back. I knew you were haveing fun. I thought it was me though not Jamie. Anyway, I was kinda harsh about the tinny thing. So get off the rug and go have a beer, I'll join ya. And yep them Russian's got it down, I plan on buying another 319 and a pair of 012's this month at the price GC got's em for. I just hope MF wil honor that price. And remember the best darn valve's in the world are the covetted 1275 Sovtek's from none other then our good friend's from Russia.
And I do believe we shall develop the friendship thing. I can't wait to take a road trip out your way. We may be bidding on a studio rebuild out your way come summer.
Feb 12, 2003 04:21 pm i just read about teh Behringer B1 mic ($99 at MF) and that's actually cheaper than the Oktava with the shock mount. Can anyone who's used both compare the two?
Feb 12, 2003 09:57 pm Anybody have anything to say about the AKG C 451 B? I just picked up a pair of them and would be interested in what your experiances with them is.
Feb 13, 2003 01:15 pm just picked up a neumann u87ai. not the most economical but the sound quality is amazing. i have used marshall, audio technica, and oktava mics. and so far i feel the neumann suits my needs the best. with a strong crisp midrange which i feel a lot of condensers lack.
Feb 13, 2003 01:39 pm Sweet! I've been keeping my eyes open for a good deal on one of those as well. I used one at a studio I was in a couple of years ago and loved it. Congrats on a very fine addition to your mic cabinet!
I have really come to believe that no matter what outboard gear, plug-ins, DAW, etc., etc. one might have in their studio, if you don't have good mics, you're always going to be somewhat limited in terms of the quality of sound you're able to produce. Plus, great sounding mics never become obsolete making them a very good investment in the long run.
Next up, an AKG D112 and a pair of Sennheiser MD421s!
Feb 13, 2003 09:19 pm OOOOOh, that is a tasty find. What kind of price did you get it for?
Feb 13, 2003 10:07 pm ehehe. i got it with jewel box and shockmount like new condition for 1400$ . i couldnt really afford it but with a deal like that i had to buy it. it is black color though (i would have liked silver) but on acoustic it sounds great and vocals it does sound a lot better than my at4047s/v and marshall mxl2001p
Feb 14, 2003 10:56 am i use a rode nt2 mic for my vox and acoustic instruments. it was about $400 but extremely worth it in every way. check out my tracks and if you like the vocals then there you go!
Feb 14, 2003 05:03 pm what about the shure sm-57 for a $100 budget
Feb 14, 2003 05:47 pm SM-57 rocks for an all-purpose, super-durable microphone. Great for the road, decent in the studio. Tho vocals can sometimes require something a bit more sensitive and a better frequency range.
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