Gearbox and KB37 problem
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Posted on Apr 22, 2007 11:26 am
crux
Typo Szar
Member Since: Jul 04, 2002
So i just got a new line 6 toneport kb37. Works great, super user friendly and has some good sounds goin for it.
My one big question right now though is, the gear box software that comes with it tells me i have to activate it so it can be used as a VST plugin in my DAW.... so... does that mean at the moment my kb37 is no more than a very pricey effect rack? coz i bought it so that i could record my guitars and bass adn vox into my daw. I dont know, but i think this was a BIG misstep by line 6. I can understand buying the tons more presets and emulations, but buying the function of it to be used in DAWs??? wats the point of having gear box and all those sounds if you cant record them?
Am i getting this wrong? how is it suppose to work?
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BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Apr 22, 2007 01:17 pm Hey crux, I'm not familiar with the kb37 but Gearbox is used (at least on my XTL) to upload patches and configurations to the unit. There is a separate Gearbox VST (that you have to pay for but I beleive is free for 30 days) that can be used as a VST in your DAW.
You may need to register the kb37 via the Line6 Monkey to gain access to the Gearbox software. This maybe what it is telling you to activate. The Monkey is also used to keep your kb37 up to date.
Apr 22, 2007 02:14 pm I think the VST adapter is an additional purchase isn't it? To use my GearBox with the KB37 I just have it open as a separate application and configure it as inputs and outputs...
line6.com/gearbox_plugin/
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Apr 23, 2007 05:15 am OK, im really lost on this, im testing it out as we speak. Im using CUBASE SX 3, and i did the device setup and set everything in and out to line 6, made all teh connections etc. Set up my track, the line works, my guitar goes into the DAW. But any changes i make in GearBox the stand alone has no impact to wat im recording. Its just recording a clean signal... do i have to set something up so that it sends this information to DAW's? i have gear box runnign and am doing the changes as i record, or right before. do i have to save them or something?
This is y i wanted it as a plugin right off teh bat. I understand that maybe line 6 doesnt wanna ppl just using their software on watever trax they have without havin to invest in hardware, but wouldnt it be much easier as a plugin?
Not really ranting, just that i saved for months to get this thing and its a bit frustrating that i dont understand it. sorry guys.
Apr 23, 2007 06:56 am Oh, I agree with you, and I was stoked when I saw the press announcement for a plug in, and figured it'd be part of a new GearBox release, when I saw it was another $200 investment I was extremely disillusioned.
That said, I have recorded successfully with it and have no regrets getting it. It does make it difficult. WHile there is likely an easier way, I run the audio outs of the KB37 into the audio inputs of my sound card and use that to record the wet signal. Seems silly and hacky, but it works well.
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Apr 23, 2007 10:22 am Hahaha, thats wat i do to... seems like a really dopey way to get it done eh? i mean... i invest in the system and all its stuff and ud think theyd let me record with their software on it. Im GLAD to pay for all the other models and updates and all that, but whos going to want to upgrade the models if they cant really use them anyway?
Apr 23, 2007 06:49 pm Crux, not sure exactly what problem you're having ?
The Gearbox software processes the sound. Without the plugin you run your guitar into the box, set gearbox how you want then you record it.
Gearbox has two outputs 1/2 and 3/4 In Gearbox 3/4 can be set to output the clean signal while 1/2 outputs the web processed signal. However those settings can be changed.
Dan, ASIO4ALL and your soundcard can be used to reamp to a certain degree
Keep asking if that doesn't help.
Tony
www.homemadehitshow.com
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Apr 24, 2007 05:09 am Thanx Tony, but im still a bit confused, so how do i record my mic and instruments with all the gearbox fixings into my cubase. If i understand from what u said right, i have set my input in cubase to 3/4 of the kb? im really confused. I thought the kb only has 2 analog outputs. And i mean.. if even dB has to use the plug it into something else method...
I wnat to record my sounds tweaked by gearbox directly into my daw.
Apr 24, 2007 07:21 am Quote:
And i mean.. if even dB has to use the plug it into something else method...
Bear in mind dB is only a web developer, not a rocket surgeon...I took the path of least resistance to get working, one of these days I will dig in and find a more graceful way to get it done, I just haven't yet...I would thing the digital audio could go to the PC via the USB cable somehow...
I dunno...we'll find out though...someday.
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Apr 24, 2007 09:34 am no offense intended
Apr 24, 2007 09:36 am None taken, I just don't want you thinking just cuz I do something, that's the way to do it...believe me, I am no guru of any sort...I ain't no role model. :-)
Apr 24, 2007 02:13 pm Ahh, maybe I misunderstood.
Toneport I believe is intended to be used as a USB interface. I do not connect it to my computer via the outputs.
I use Acid and I select the Toneport as the input device, this gives me 1/2 and 3/4 as inputs to the software and allows me to record mic and guitars on separate tracks or clean/wet. If you're connecting using the monitor outs then you're missing all this.
Now if you are using the analog outs you surely should be getting the effected sound.
Then of course there is the SPDIf connector, no idea how that works but I believer it's some combination.
Apr 24, 2007 02:25 pm Yeah, Noize has sadi he has gotten that to work as well...but I haven't with the KB37...tho I have with the UX1 and 2...my USB works fine controlling the patches and all that, but the audio I can only record out of the 1/4" outs and back in to my sound card.
But, like I said, I haven't worked real hard at figuring it out yet.
Apr 24, 2007 03:22 pm Well that's weird since the whole thing is designed as a USB recording device and the KB37 is fundamentally the same hardware. I know my friend over here in CA is having no problems with USB and KB37. Maybe there's a conflict with the multiple units ?
Apr 24, 2007 04:03 pm I dunno, it6's just one of those things I know I should be able to do but hasn't made the top of the "to-do" list...but it will after May 6th...
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Apr 24, 2007 09:34 pm OK, the KB is exactly the same gearbox settings as the UX series. 3/4 will give an un-effected or semi-effected tone. 1/2 is the full on deal, all your settings go out the line outs 1/2. It also goes out the USB into the daw if you have the Line 6 ASIO driver selected in Cubase or Sonar or whatever.
crux, are you using ASIO or the WDM drivers? Also make sure that you do not have the mute ouput button set to on. It is right next to the tuner button.
I guess I am a little confused as well though. Are you trying to record direct through theUSB or using the line outputs of the KB unit?
cruxTypo SzarMember
Since: Jul 04, 2002
Apr 25, 2007 09:05 am I use the ASIO drivers, the line 6 ones. I set it up in my connections and devices as uve said, and went back and forth with other somewhat random settings. Im gonna try to toy around wiht it some more, but ive set up everything that way in my DAW, r there any settings i have to do in gearbox?
Apr 25, 2007 12:27 pm Nothing needs to be set in Gearbox in order to record other than making sure the mute is off and the monitor volume is up.
Your posts are a little brief and I'm not completely clear where you're at right now.
A friend of mine is using a Toneport with Cubase and no problems. If you want to send me your email address I can put you in touch with him.
Tony
www.homemadehitshow.com
BeardMember
Since: Jun 02, 2008
Jan 10, 2009 09:20 am Ive been using toneport UX1 in conjunction with cubase SX3 for a while now, the only way ive been able to get any sound out of it is having the USB connected to my USB hub and the analog outs to the inputs on my Delta44. Seems an odd way to have to connect it seeing as many people have said its a USB interface.
However when I connect with just the USB, the signal gets to gearbox and cubase just fine but i cant seem to get any sound to come out of my monitor speakers (and yes I have tried switching the monitor button on and off in the channel strip in cubase).
This is why i use the analog outs too.
I have the master ASIO driver set to the Toneport one in Cubase but havent fiddled much with the buss options yet. (is this somehting I should change around?)
This gives a decent enough sound to record with but if I change the sound on gearbox, it doesn't affect the recorded sound on playback as a VST would do. So, if i want the changes to be in the recording I have to re-record the track again with the new settings.
Any ideas how I can achieve one or both of the following? :
1) To be able to use the UX1 as a soley USB interface where the signal from the ux1 goes to the Gearbox software via USB, gets processed by gearbox and then sent to Cubase where it is recorded and output via my Delta 44 through my monitor speakers.
2) To be able to use the UX1/gearbox in the style of a VST where i can record a guitar part into Cubase then go "Hmmm, needs more treble, a cut to the mid and a little more overdrive on the amp setting", change the settings on Gearbox and have them take effect on the recorded sound immediately as they are played back. Kinda like re-amping I guess.
Any help would be greatly appreciated as although Im making good use of the UX1 and gearbox, i dont think Im getting the full potential out of it.
I asked a similar question a while ago but am now much more familiar with my setup than i was then and should be able to get the gist of things better now.
olddogMember
Since: Jul 02, 2003
Jan 10, 2009 01:33 pm It is certainly a mess the way Line6 does it, not only do you have to have their hardware connected to use the software but the plugin is extra, which is why I bought the TP DI Silver when they had the promotion going on which got you the plugin free + Pod Farm.
To use with the L6 hardware you have to set your DAW to use the L6 ASIO driver and hook your monitors up to it or use the headphone output.
The way I set mine up is to use the DI output (clean) sent to my mixer, the 2 analog outs also go to my mixer, which goes to my Delta 44. I monitor the wet signal at the mixer and send only the DI signal to Sonar. I have the plugin, so I don't have to do anthing further to try different tones, but to re-amp using the stand alone, you would just need to send the clean signal back out to the L6 hardware and record the wet signal on 2 other tracks. I do use the stand alone while recording for monitoring. With the UX, KB series you would configure the dry output and wet output in the mixer section, the TP DI has a dedicated output for dry.
Edit: I should mention that you will also need to use the WDM driver on either the DAW or KB/TP/UX when trying to use both at the same time. I use my Delta's ASIO in Sonar and WDM on the TP.
I can honestly say if they hadn't had the deal on the TP I would never buy Line6 Gearbox/PodFarm, Guitar Rig, Amplitube, Revalver all are just as good tone wise, with none of the dongle BS, and they include the plugin, and have much better deveoped interfaces and features. That said I do like GB/Podfarm but it's certainly a pain to use compared to the others.
Dan
