May 08, 2006 12:11 pm what about a 001 or an m-box? those come with PT and are about half the price of a 002....
Cheap Digi 002?
Posted on May 08, 2006 12:09 pm
Aenima7988
Member Since: Apr 10, 2006
Does anyone know where I could find myself a cheap digi002, rack or board? I definitely want to go with Pro Tools, but I don't exactly have $2,200 right now. Obviously I can search eBay, but I've been doing that without great results. Is there a used dealership or something?
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May 08, 2006 12:11 pm what about a 001 or an m-box? those come with PT and are about half the price of a 002....
May 08, 2006 02:24 pm Yeah, I don't remember waht was wrong with the 001, but the M-box only comes with M-Powered pro tools. It's limited to 32 simultaneous audio tracks, recording AND playback. A lot of people say that's no big deal and there are plenty of ways to get around it, but I'm still not sure. Usually it's hundreds. Taking hundreds down to 32 makes you wonder what else is that limited.
May 08, 2006 02:39 pm hundreds!! omg the MAX i've ever had (playback) was somewhere around 50 and a good bit of 'em were just layers, 32 isn't too limiting, you can get alot done with 32 tracks, hell the beatles only had 8! i think the LE verson has a track limit aswell (either 32 or 48) but anyways i'm gettin' off track.....i wouldn't go with m-powered either really (i bet the plugins arn't as good) the 001 just has less ins and outs, but it's a dandy little booger. also keep in mind the rack 002 will always be cheaper than the board.
cheers
wyd
May 08, 2006 07:45 pm I found a rack for a little under 1000. Just a little more time and I'll have my setup.
May 08, 2006 09:47 pm May I ask why you are set on a PT rig? You know for the money there are many other options that arent going to be so limiting. Once your in PT there is no third party pluggins, or freebies out there at all. It is only their proprietary plugins and they are not cheap at all.
Other options will not limit what hardware you can use either.
Just wondering out loud.
Noize
May 09, 2006 12:30 pm Ebay man. If you're dead set on the digi002, you can find them on there new for like 750-850 range if you look. I use a digi002, and I like it. I'm trying to get away from PT, but that's just me for my own reasons. Well. Cheers.
May 10, 2006 01:29 am a 002/002r comes with Pro-tools LE. Pro-tools le has a 32 track maximun. (im nto sure about M-powereds limits though but i think its higher).
really though 32 tracks is more then you will probably need. i doubt a computer can handle 32 tracks at once, let alone add effects to it without crashing. you would need a MONSTER of a compter for that.
after saying that, i definalty think a 002r is a GREAT way to go, i love mine and woudlnt trade if for anything else in its pricerange.
just.. hundreds of tracks is insane, what can you be recording that will take more then 50 tracks? less you sing word for word.. each on a different track.. haha
-melty
May 10, 2006 07:13 pm melty, I can break the 50 track barrier pretty easily these days. So it honestly isnt that unccommon to see.
I might like to mention here as well, that if your counting on an 002 and then counting on using the PT LE that come with, and your looking at it used. You probably will not be able to update the software as most times it is not transferable. Meaning if the guy selling the 002 sells you PT LE with it, you better make sure he sends all the updates along with the original software. Becuase it is registered to him, and you wont be able to register it for you and get the updates.
May 11, 2006 03:49 pm how do you use so many tracks? just curious (like george)
May 11, 2006 09:58 pm All drums and percusion on seperate tracks. Sometimes there can be 8 or more differant guitar tracks, a couple of bass, several synth tracks. Lots of differant bits here and there. Now start adding vocals and other misc. stuff and it can add up faster then you think.
Then take an orchestrated piece using classical instruments. That can get into the 100 plus range. So it is more then possible to get huge track counts going depending on what you are doing.
May 11, 2006 10:11 pm thats a ton to do in a home studio
May 11, 2006 10:21 pm I got to 90 something lol.
6 mics on the guitar cab
5 mics on the bass + D.I.
12 or something on the drums.
It adds up with a few overdubs.
May 12, 2006 08:58 pm If you manage your system resources properly it isnt really that much to ask of a decent PC at all.
May 13, 2006 03:19 am To the folks talking about these crazy number of tracks:
That amount of trakcs IS uncommon. Think about the # of faders on an SSL or Neve board. Or, the number of 24-tracks in most large studios; 2? 3? Now think about where you see 50, 100, 100+ channel consoles...giant theaters made for final film scoring. Jeez! Do a sub/stem -mix, or buss some stuff! But I'm just kidding; do whatever you like - that's what makes this stuff fun!
To the (potential?) buyer:
DONT get a Mbox (or Mbox 2)...the only reason would be if you simply wanted to RUN Pro Tools (i.e. mix, but not record)
From what I have heard, the 002 (the A/D/A interface + control surface) is pretty crappy, as far as manufacturing quality. If you need a control surface, get the Command 8, or a Yamaha/Mackie/Tascam (US-2400 if you can find one!!!).
If you are going to buy a 002R (or, god forbid, a 002), protect your investment and buy it from an actual store. They can ship, you know? ***IF YOU BUY ON EBAY, DIGI WILL NOT CONSIDER IT A PURCHASE FROM AN AUTHORIZED DEALER*** Read that again; if you buy it on ebay, even if it's NEW and being sold by an authorized dealer, you won't get any tech support from digi, unless the dealer is willing to send you a hard copy of an "in-store" sort of invoice or purchase order, etc. If you don't get that and digi finds out it is from ebay, they cut you off.
That aside, Pro Tools is a great system to learn because it is used so commonly throughout studios. You can always pick up a (relatively) cheap copy of Logic, Cubase, Sonar etc. It also has a long history of development, meaning that PT was sort of the first of its kind, and the developers went to great lengths to make the interface similar to analog recording. A lot of alternative software out there now is more a copy of PT than the method of analog recording. That is one of the main reasons the program is so popular; engineers didn't have such a tough time making the switch from analog to digital.
Most of the above is my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, but do the same for anyone else who tells you that PT is not worth the money.
As far as a decent place to buy a PT rig, all I can reccomend is the place where I got my 002R - Pacific Pro Audio (wont link to it; just google). They go for $999. If they tell you anything other pricewise, just tell them what I said and my forum username. I'd imagine they would ship to you. I bet you could get the same deal at a lot of good digi dealers, too. OR, if you know somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody, Guitar Center is a good place to get digi stuff cheap (however I think their customer service sucks, and their staff turnover rate is measured in days!). Most of those stores will give you what they call "cost" (which is total B.S., by the way) if you tell tehm that "one of [your] friends from school works [here], and he said that if [I] mentioned something called 'the 10-up discount', you could get me a good price on [insert whatever you want here]" If you go the Guitar Center route, talk to the nearest "GCPro" guy. If you want the 002R, tell him you have $900 to spend on it, and if he wont do that, just keep pushing it, but DONT go over $999!
Good luck, and happy recording!
May 13, 2006 02:13 pm fender, yes for most parties with normal projects the usual track count would really never get that high.
The statements above refer to the fact that they can get that high for certain things. I'm not talking about needing 100 tracks for every project. But with overdubs and little bits of samples and such that can or will be used, you can pile up a 50 plus track count pretty easily.
And yes, I use bussing pretty heavily on most projects. But it still doesnt mean I wont have 50 or more tracks of audio in the original mix.
AS for the digi stuff, you are absolutley correct. They will not and do not support their used gear at all. Unless of course you are willing to pay a premium price to get that support. And even then it is hit or miss. It is a bummer for those who dont really know and go spend a bundle on used gear and software only to find out they ar stuck with what is there.
And well put about GC and the like. IT is worth the time to simply hold your ground. IF they wont meat you in the middle, then simply walk away. Most times the GC Pro guy wont let that happen.
May 13, 2006 11:27 pm bam! got a digi 002 rack on ebay for 850 (950 with tax and shipping) today! Maybe some of you got better deals but screw that lol this is awesome. It's unregistered so I don't have to worry about nto being able to update. Should I still ask the buyer if he can send a "hard copy of an "in-store" invoice or purchase order"? Cause it's a dealership selling it on ebay, not just some dick.,
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