Dec 29, 2005 11:39 am Sounds like someone really wants to sell a mic to me .
Being in or out of phase has nothing to do with a single microphone... it takes more than one mic/track to make phase an issue .
blue the ball
Posted on Dec 29, 2005 03:08 am
bangbangmofo
Thecalmlittlecenteroftheuniverse
Member Since: Dec 04, 2005
someone told me that it doesnt go out of phase.
ever.
and i dont know if im gullible enough to believe that.
help?
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Dec 29, 2005 11:39 am Sounds like someone really wants to sell a mic to me .
Being in or out of phase has nothing to do with a single microphone... it takes more than one mic/track to make phase an issue .
Dec 29, 2005 02:36 pm ....... never speak to that person again.
Dec 29, 2005 02:40 pm to be fair, sounds like the person is correct. It won't go out of phase, seeing as how it's only one signal, there's nothing to go out of phase from =)
Seems like C_S is spot on there, I'd avoid this person as well.
Dec 29, 2005 04:47 pm well i dont really think its his fault.
he's not exactly the brightest kid I know.
But God, can he play.
You know the type. they can hold a conversation
while putting us mere mortal guitarists to shame, eyes slightly closed, not exactly sober.
I still completely dont understand phase though.
goooogle
Dec 29, 2005 05:09 pm I knew a cat like that once . The guy was an absolutely amazing guitarist... could transpose Chopin in a heartbeat, and nail just about every playing style known... truly, a tallented soul... and a very good friend, as well . Just another statistic now, I'm afraid . Sad, how sometimes the most tallented are the most self-destructive .
Dec 29, 2005 09:54 pm Well dont go off on your friend too hard. He is partly right, not completely but partly right.
When Blue designed the ball mic originally it just so happened that the cirquit that required phantom power for a dynamic mic which is unusual indeed happened to give it a better phase coherance. Meaning it had a tendancy to not easily cause phase issues common in most mic's. They applied this as well to the ball condesors and it worked fairly well there also.
Now dont take this as it is tottaly phase canceling because it is not. It only negates the phase issue slightly.
Dec 29, 2005 10:19 pm how does it negate phase issues noize?
I'm trying to think how it would.... maybe the cirquit delays the sound causing it to be more phase coherent with mics placed further away?
??
Dec 29, 2005 10:54 pm When they built a cirquit to eliminate the internal output stage found in dynamics. They created a phantom powered balancing cirquit to replace the electromagnetic induction cirquit found in dynamics. How it ended up helping with phase issues is a good question, but I am sure it is a closely gaurded secret.
As I said though, I dont think it really eliminates it completely. It just makes it less of an issue. I dont see any mic ever having the ability to eliminate all phase issues, but I guess this must help counter it some.
I'll dig a little more and see if I can find a better description of exactly hwo it helps out the phase issues.
Dec 29, 2005 11:05 pm Yeah I don't think I understand how one mic can be designed for improved phase coherency with another mic. I looked up the term "phase coherence" and found this:
Quote:
phase coherence: The state in which two signals maintain a fixed phase relationship with each other or with a third signal that can serve as a reference for each.
...that says to me that phase coherent means "in phase". Who knows, maybe not. There must be something to it since they use that term in their stock product description they give to their vendors.
But, I did google up this layman's review of the mic in question:
www.prorec.com/prorec/art...6256E21001A9C8C
Dec 29, 2005 11:24 pm Ya, honestly I dont understand how it can be any better so to speak. But hey if it is promoted slightly that way, and they have on hell of a reputaion at stake to claim something bogus. So I will take it with a grain of salt. I am thinking I may even make a run and give it a shot to see exactly what it up with it. I guess I can see how changing the way the mic actually works may have an effect on how it sounds, but to have an effect on the phase issues is something I would like to learn more about. All I know is what I have read so far. Cant base it on real life use, yet.
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