Any feedback on the mix??
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Posted on Oct 21, 2005 01:54 pm
BeerHunter
www.TheLondonProject.ca
Member Since: Feb 07, 2005
Hi all,
I have posted a cover tune that we have been working on in my profile. This is a cover tune that we did for a friend and it was a big rush at the time to get it done. Now I have a chance to go back and work on the mix and hopefully do a better job of it. I just got new headphones and already have found areas that I want to fix but I was hoping that you guys could point out other areas that I should fix as well.
The first thing that stands out to me is the electric guitar needs some low end removed and the vocals in the acoustic part need to have the high reduced a bit (de-ess).
I also noticed that the mix seems to be a bit heavy to one side.
All comments welcome. TIA,
Lonnie
www.homerecordingconnecti...=605&type=2
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Oct 21, 2005 07:03 pm Good cover, I like the vocals especially in this. As for the mix, the first thing that stands out to me is the snare. It sounds a bit like a Tom, its missing that snare crack, ya know? Maybe a bit of EQing or possibly using a mic under the snare when tracking
The guitars seem a bit low end heavy I agree, try removing some of those lower frequencies which may help bring out the bass guitar a bit more as it seems a little quiet in the mix.
Check around 1:50, I think the vocal mic may have clipped a bit too.
Besides that, good stuff. Happy mixing.
Oct 21, 2005 08:54 pm This is, of course, too well-done for me to offer any real constructive criticism...
I can't help thinking about your friend when I hear this song. You've done a great job with the song...vocals an octave lower than the original give it a different feel. Ilike it!
Jim
olddogMember
Since: Jul 02, 2003
Oct 21, 2005 09:32 pm It really sounds like a good mix to me other than the snare as mentioned and the bass is lacking power. The guitars sound fine to me, vocals might be a tad high in relation to the music but they sound good.
It's really a good cover, I enjoyed it.
Dan
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Oct 22, 2005 01:54 am Thanks guys. I must be on the right track - Thanks HRC! :)
The snare... well that might be a problem. In all the chaos I seemed to have lost the snare track (ugh). I'm going to dig around tonight and see if I can find it. We used a SM57 on it and it will really suck if I can't find it. So I might be stuck with what I have. That is 2 OH and a kick mic and a med condenser that we used about 8 ft out front of the kit. Worst case I guess I'll have to try and EG it back (suggestions??).
I think the only part that bothers me about the guitars is the low "chug" in the intro. I'll also bring up the bass a bit.
Thanks again,
Lonnie
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Oct 22, 2005 04:46 am ok, I couldn't find the snare track but I was able to EQ the OH up a bit and bring it more into the mix. I cut the low end off the guitars and brought up the bass a bit. I also cut back the VOX a bit. Much smoother.
Anyhow, too tired to do any more but if you get a chance to check it out, the link is below.
www.homerecordingconnecti...=607&type=2
BTW Blindfold, it wasn't clipping, it was the singer smacking his lips. lol. I silenced the areas where he did that and all is well. :)
Oct 22, 2005 08:52 am I can hear everything, and it's crisp, which is good. Pity you can't find the snare track, coz that's what I was thinking to :-)
Have you tried equing the kick, something like this:
might give it some tap, and make it stand out a little more...
Impressed with the clarity of the overall mix, well done!
Oct 22, 2005 01:19 pm Those drums just sound a bit weak (maybe too much reverb?). If I was mixing this I would turn the guitars down a bit and turn the bass up with those drums. I don't have a trained ear but the mix just sounds a bit empty to me.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Oct 23, 2005 03:34 am Quote:
Pity you can't find the snare track
Actually, I found it. However I discovered why I didn't use it the first go around. It was a dead track. Flatline. So, I bounced a track mixing the OH and the kick tracks, EQ'd the hell out of it and built a make shift snare.
I also, brought up the drums and bass a bit and I'm pretty satisfied with the mix now. If I had the opportunity, I would probably re-do a couple of tracks but that is not an option. I'm still open to suggestions if anyone has any.
Thanks,
Lonnie
www.homerecordingconnecti...=607&type=2
Oct 23, 2005 04:28 am Maybe you could use a sample or two for the snare?...
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Oct 23, 2005 03:32 pm Hey CS,
I guess I could record a one shot of the snare and paste it into the track but that seems like a lot of work?? I've read about doing the MIDI triggers and such but I have no experience at all with MIDI.
Take it easy,
Lonnie
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 23, 2005 05:58 pm BeerHunter, you can hear a lot of the top of the snare giving way to the fact it came from the OH mic's. It sounds like ya got it going pretty good though it is a bit loud at times. Only thing you can really do is if you have a good kit sound going for the most part is just spend a bunch of time trying to get the snare part isolated using EQ. I assume you just made a duplicate track and are using that to try and get the snare to come out? That is the best you can do for now.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Oct 25, 2005 12:18 pm Hi Noize2u,
Quote:
I assume you just made a duplicate track and are using that to try and get the snare to come out?
I actually made a copy of both the OH and the kick track. I was able to EQ the kick as well as it was picking up the snare almost as much as the OH.
Man, mic'ing drums is very challenging and takes a lot of patience.
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 26, 2005 08:25 pm Ya, micing drums is the biggest pain in the arse. That or micing a cab for a guitarist who thinks he knows exactly how to do it.
BeerHunterwww.TheLondonProject.caMember
Since: Feb 07, 2005
Oct 27, 2005 12:50 pm ok, I know that you guys are getting pretty tired of Eye of the Tiger now but here is a link to what I think will be the last mix. Believe me, no one is more tired of this song than I am.
Anyways, I've taken all of your suggestions and applied them to the latest mix. I think the drums sound pretty good now (at least as good as I think I can get them). I added palm mute chunks and a couple of small solo fills which I think helps the areas with no vocals.
I really don't want to spend anymore time on this as it is a cover song but at the same time I have to get it to sound as good a possible before I can move forward with the video plans.
www.homerecordingconnecti...=609&type=2
Thanks all,
Lonnie
Noize2uCzar of MidiAdministrator
Since: Apr 04, 2002
Oct 27, 2005 08:28 pm Well, I gotta say the added goodies are great. I think you have the drums as good as they are gonna get now. And they do sound much better, the snare seems much better now. It sounds more like a snare now then it did before nice and crisp.
I would call it good and get it into the video so you can get it out there.
Be sure and let me know when it is done as I surely want to purchase a copy of the video.
olddogMember
Since: Jul 02, 2003
Oct 27, 2005 08:37 pm I agree I think the mix is much better now, bass is there, snare/drums sound better and all the levels seem pretty good to my ears. I say call it a wrap! :)
Dan
