Help with UB802 mixer and setup
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Posted on Apr 25, 2005 08:09 pm
epagonizomai
Member Since: Apr 25, 2005
Alright guys, I've looked around a but and couldn't find the answer to my question. It's prolly pretty simple, and I'm no expert.
I've got a UB802 Behringer mixer, and I'm trying to record with my Shure sm57 mic. I'm using a pretty cheap SB Live Value sound card, but here's my problem. I've got:
LINE OUT on card to TAPE IN on mixer
TAPE OUT on mixer to LINE IN on card
And I've got the main outs to my Sony receiver/speakers.
To get sound working, I've got to push the TAPE TO MIX button, or else I get no sound from the speakers. That's fine, but the problem is that when I go to record in Cakewalk, if I am playing previously recorded tracks (in headphones) while I record (with all tracks panned equally L and R), then the track I'm recording on essentially re-records whatever is already playing in the other tracks. Is this some sort of feedback loop that I've wired up?
Any help would be great - I'm stumped, but that's not hard to do with me!
Thanks guys!
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pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Apr 25, 2005 10:25 pm sounds like a loop right off the bat.
If the mixer's got inserts, looks like it does, then you could tap signal out of the insert (first click) and run that cable to your line in. Then come from the line out (l & r) into a stereo channel on the mixer.
Then send the mains (l & r) out to your monitoring section.
This way you can monitor the channel 1 (and or channel 2) so you can hear your new signal, as well as hearing the already-recorded sound coming in channel 3 and 4 (l & r).
If you don't like that solution, you could have the two mics plugged into chan 1 and 2, panned left and right, then send the mains output to your line in (l & r) on the soundcard. Then you'd have to take the output of the soundcard into your monitoring section.
both work, but I'd prefer the first scenario.
Hope this helps.
Apr 26, 2005 11:28 am Ok, thanks for the help, but I'm going to show how unsavvy I am with technical stuff. I just know how to push record and sing (and record some instruments...)!
First, what's an insert? (yes, I'm dumb)
Second, I'll tell you what's on my card, and what's on the the mixer, and maybe you can put it in "setup for dummies" terms for me:) I think I understand what you said before, but I'm not totally sure.
On the card:
l&r line outs
record out
single line in
On the mixer.
Rather than tell you all of it, if you go to www.behringer.com/02_prod...02&lang=eng
and on the right side of the page under "photos" click on top view, there's everything the mixer has.
Oh and one other thing, I'm recording with my computer, but what exactly would be my monitoring section in this setup?
Thanks guys. This is so helpful!
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Apr 26, 2005 03:45 pm I was looking at the musician's friend site for info on the ub802, now i can see clearlyier =)
first off, you're not dumb. nobody was an expert when getting started in all this. It just takes time to pick up all the different ideas that this can cover.
now then, what I'd do with that mixer:
1. plug mic into xlr 1 (optionally, mic 2 into channel xlr 2)
2. pan channel 1 far left, channel 2 far right
3. get a splitter adapter that has (2) 1/4" female mono jacks on one end, and a 1/8" stereo male jack on the other end. Plug the 1/8" stereo jack into the "line in" on the sound card.
4. connect 1/4" mono cable from control room out L to input L on splitter adapter, connect 1/4" mono cable from control room out R to input R on splitter adapter.
5. connect ? size cable (maybe rca) from line out L on sound card to line in 5/6 left on mixer, connect cable from line out R on sound card to line in 5/6 right on mixer. Hosa makes cables (musician's friend) and is a good choice for these.
6. connect 1/4" mono cable from main out L to input left on monitoring solution, connect 1/4" mono cable from main out R to input right on monitoring solution.
This monitoring solution could be a home receiver (what is commonly called the 'house stereo') I've used an old realistic (radio shack) receiver for my monitor power with good results. Then the speakers that come with the receiver would suffice as monitors. Be sure that the receiver has a working headphone jack, as you'll need it. This monitoring solution could also be a headphone amp, and you'd listen to your work on headphones only. I'd prefer the first option.
Now the software side of it I'll leave to you to figure out as there's way too many options and variables to list out here. We'll assume you have the software operating correctly.
When you're ready to record, put on the headphones so you can hear yourself, but the new signal you're making doesn't get re-fed back into the microphone. Make noise into the mic, assuring that there's signal showing up on the software meters. When you're ready to go, you record.
Now that the first 1 (or 2) tracks are in good shape, we'll assume you'll want to record a second (or fourth) track to go with them. When you hit play, (not record yet) you will hear your track 1 (and /or 2) coming into the mixer via channel 5/6. This signal then goes out the mains, and into the monitors. When you're ready to record again, you hit record and can hear your new signal (coming through channel 1 & 2) plus your recorded signal (coming through channel 5/6) and into your headphones.
You can continue to do this as many times as your pc can stand it, adding two more tracks to the pile. when you're finished, the cables are still in place to hear the entire mix, and to mix and master your project masterpiece.
hope this all makes sense. post again if there's a spot that's not sensible.
pjkPrince CZAR-mingMember
Since: Apr 08, 2004
Apr 26, 2005 03:48 pm oop, forgot the mixer has a headphone jack. you could use that as the monitoring solution. I'd still try to get a external monitoring solution.
also, home speakers are not the best for monitoring recording projects as they tend to change the sound. Actual monitors that are flat response are better. An actual monitor amp would be better as well, but you can get by with what I mentioned if you learn how they sound and adjust accordingly.
Apr 26, 2005 04:18 pm Yeah, home stereo type speakers are generally more affected by the acoustics of the room they are in. True nearfield monitors are designed for shorter range listening, and to be less affected by their surroundings. However, I still go by the "anything is better than nothing" mind set.
FenderMember
Since: Mar 12, 2005
May 12, 2005 01:22 am I have the exact same equipment beheringer 802a to a audigy soundcard. I get the full flex of the mixer and aux sends and returns in addition I could monitor the sound level recording both send and return.
Heres my setup: line out from soundcard to aux stereo returns ( horizontal on top l & r)
aux sends on mixer( verticale 1/4 jacks) to line/mic jack on sound card.
( i luv to use my aux sends and returns) I have more control of both in/out levels on recording.
also have more control on the level when playing while recording another track. awesome.
also check your setting on cakewalk for bleeding on tracks when recording. check audio/simitanous recording, make sure this is checked.
Oh one more thing: I have cntrl main out (1/4 jacks out) to my sterreo reciever, here i control the ambiance of the room sound.
hope this helps
